FOSSDLE PieFedNSFW on Lemmy
Tldr lower. So there’s (yet again) another flurry of communities that are all crossposting each other’s content with this hentai stuff.
Aside from a lot of this being made with AI, it is in essence soft porn and I don’t want it in /all.
I usually write a comment under such posts saying
Set your comm to NSFW pls
Rarely the mod write “Done” and that’s it. Often it is downvoted, and now it’s also just removed by mod for (I wouldn’t know the reason as it’s on a different instance to mine)
https://lemmy.world/post/33972247
TLDR; I don’t want my all feed to be a soft porn feed, is there anyway of not having these hentai soft porn communities in all, apart from individually blocking them (which doesn’t really work, as they keep making more communities).
I browse All and have like 2000 communities blocked
[Edit] 1823 communities and 12 instances blocked
I presume you don’t have alts then!
Technically I DO have an account on a different instance I was considering switching to but I logged out immediately after seeing they federated with hexbear lol
Plenty of other people have said it, and I'll repeat it: Stop browsing by /all. Find a handful of communities you want to subscribe to, and stick with those.
There is a fair point to make that it's instances that should default to /local instead of /all - at least for uncredentialed guests. Since if you want to see more, you can just get to the next instance, and the next, and the next..., and that way we avoid reloading basically the same content and stuff on every instance you visit.
And it helps instances better moderate how they present themselves to potential sign-ups.
That is indeed a fair talking point, which of course has its own risk of a new user not know there's more to the fediverse (or not knowing what the fediverse is) than only what a local instance shows.
A new user will know because they sign in and they get access to more features of the instance, such as ability to follow, star, block, etc.
A mere visitor, can simply be pointed to the /all button. It just does not need to be the default.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
It's very much manageable. You could also try blocking certain instances or users.
Other than that, though titties.
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I blocked ani.social just because so much anime and im not into that
I blocked ani.social because 90% of anime porn is of children and im not into that
I’ll block them individually, but I would love for there to be a tagging or classification system. Perhaps even a ‘Snowflake NSFW’ setting that allows people to filter out anything suggestive. I understand those hentai communities don’t want to be penalised by having an outRight NSFW tag on them either.
Have you considered using a client with word filtering?
What are these new communities btw?
I maintain the list available here, and I've only needed to add half a dozen new communities in the last year.
You're welcome to use it for blocking.
I will not be marking any of my communities nsfw, only content within them which warrants it.
Thanks that’s awesome.
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I thought this community is for discussions about the Fediverse and not limited to any particular instance.
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I’m a bit baffled at how many people are misunderstanding my post.
This is not instance related. This is just an additional NSFW type of filter. Please reread the OP or my other comments.
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I personally don't consider this NSFW.
It's clearly a less racey example. Multiple people hung up on this 🤦♂️.
Would you like a real example? Brave enough to give me your work email? I promise to send you nothing but untagged Lemmy content.
How is it 'clearly' anything? It's the only example OP provided, what else are we supposed to judge his claims by?
I've been working remote ever since COVID. Also, if we're going this far, I think this whole culture of absent personal space at work isn't something to defend. If anything, it's kind of nice to punish this system by having something shocking or insulting on your screen. But we all need money and people don't want to get fired so I can understand that. We're all going to get fired and replaced by AI anyway though.
"All" means all. I suggest not using "all" but subscribing to things you actually want to see.
Not always. For instance if you have NSFW filtered, in which case "all" means "most".
All is still all, but you curated it to your liking (like OP should do)
This is a recurring response, so forgive me for hijacking your comment to write this again.
/all is where we make our first impression to the world. For a lot of people /all is where (on a still growing platform) people go to discover. I don’t think having an additional “soft NSFW” filter would be a bad thing.
There’s a reason most clients have an NSFW filter in their settings.
i don't see nsfw in /all cause you can just turn off NSFW content in settings, dude.
easy as pie. your "soft NSFW" filter is baked in.
Thanks for duding me
You have not read or don’t understand the OP. This is about communities like my example in the OP, which many would not consider NSFW, but is on the touchy side of a bunch of other people. The communities don’t want the NSFW tag, but the users who want the ability to filter out the soft NSFW stuff.
"but is on the touchy side of a bunch of other people."
i get that you're trying to make a point about what content should or shouldn't be tagged as nsfw, but at some point you have to accept that this is the internet.
no place is ever going to cater to anyone's exact standards of what is and isn't "appropriate". and while there are communities that don't want to conform to using nsfw tags, I have an "/all" that is completely devoid of any nsfw content. which is what you have specifically mentioned in your other comments in this thread.
the responsibility is on you to curate your own feed to your own specifications. and its not even a difficult process. it just takes a bit of time.
There is a soft tag built into the post itself: the title. It says "Ikkitousen." If you know what Ikkitousen is, you know it's an ecchi anime. If you don't know what Ikkitousen is, you have to decide for yourself if the post is worth opening blind. On an anime community it should come as no surprise that people would post characters from ecchi (and not necessarily hard-defined NSFW) shows.
Though I don't disagree with your suggestion for having more user control, the root of this is entirely a personal problem that others shouldn't be expected to accommodate for you. Go into your display settings and turn off thumbnails and be self-policing in what links you click on.
Go to your Settings, uncheck the "Show NSFW content" box, click Save.
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How does this…
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The only way All works is by either manually blocking individual communities or manually blocking certain instances.
Once you're done, it's mostly fine, but like you say, new ones do pop up.
There's ONE GUY who runs like 20 different AI porn communities and keeps creating more.
Exactly what I've done. Set my settings to hide NSFW, blocked most of the "soft" communities like hot girls and moe anime girls and whatever else (blocking the lemmynsfw.com instance is a great place to start), and I use All frequently. That's how I've found all the communities I've subscribed to, but frankly, my /all feed is small enough that I usually see all my subscribed communities anyway.
Why am I not surprised that the most sensible response comes from one of the more awesome mods on this platform
o7 sir, thanks for acknowledging my point and chiming in.
Hey, I was in your boat when I started on Lemmy 2 years ago.
"Wow, that's a lot of furry porn. And gay porn. And gay, furry porn."
Not gonna judge, if that's your thing, it's your thing, it's just not MY thing...
I haven’t noticed that so I probably blocked them long ago. You have to do some maintenance on the feed but these things do not pop up constantly.
I mean...that doesn't really seem that bad? Also, asking for the whole community to be nsfw is a wild overreaction looking at the other pictures in the community.
If you browse the all feed, expect to see some things you don't like/enjoy. It's a fire hose of content by design. Learn to curate your subscribed feed and stick to it. Frankly, lemmy doesn't have great filters/blocks to do what you want, and expecting the whole rest of the internet to abide by such strict standards of nsfw isn't going to happen.
PieFed has a "Hide posts in communities with these words in their name" filter for exactly this scenario.
That function doesn't seem to function properly btw. I have tried with "meme" and "politics" and communities with those words in them still keep popping into my feed on PieFed.
Fixed now!
Go to https://piefed.social/user/settings/filters and save the form to flush a cache and then the fix will kick in.
Impressive
weeell, maybe more impressive if I'd tested it better weeks ago, but I'll take the W
😄
Amazing! I did not expect that outcome from my comment
I can't believe y'all 🤣
This is clearly a mostly non offensive example.
Would you like me to head into my feed and find some furry porn not marked nsfw? Just send me your work address. 🙄
I feel ya, some of the posts you said that on, probably should be NSFW. But not a romantic kiss imho. Other sites solved this ages ago with explicit, questionable and safe tags.
I think it's ridiculous that Lemmy adopted the binary NSFW option from Reddit. With the Ukraine war and people posting videos as NSFW with body parts laying around. I don't want to see the anime pictures in the same bucket as that either.
There needs to be more tags and that would make everyone happy.
Skill issue. That's literally what /all is for.
Block what you don't want, or set your starting page to subscribed and curate from there. That's half the point of this entire place.
The other half you already did the work: notified the comms they have to set to NFW, etc.
I am amazed at how helpless some people....
You don't want to see it, click block!
JFC have some fucking agency... I know it is annoying but the fix is easy and right there.
It's what TikTok did to a generation. It's incredible.
Back in my day, I could even program the time on the VCR!
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
Stop browsing by /all. The firehose will always have content that is of dubious categorization. Instead of trying to change the whole world to conform to your tastes, curate your communities and leave others be.
I don't disagree, and it'd be really nice if people were better about tagging things like scantily clad yuri as NSFW. Even if there's no naughty bits, I'd just really appreciate being able to browse for new linux communities in public while having questionable stuff come up as blurred thumbnails. I don't want it gone, I just want tagging guidelines to be followed.
Sorry, I understand that it would be nice if others did the right thing all the time, but we can not reasonably expect this to work at any larger scale.
Besides, how many new linux communities are popping up every day that it makes more important for you to be browsing by /all? It seems like a bad workflow and really poor ergonomics to rely on /all for content discovery when you know what type of groups you can search for.
Why can't we expect that, though? True bad actors are surprisingly rare, and minor fauxpas forgiven. That's kinda how all of human society is able to function.
I don't really know what you're trying to say about linux communities or my workflow - that was being used an arbitrary example, and the actual goal with browsing /all is to find content you are interested in but previously unaware of. Not all communities follow strict naming guidelines, let alone tagging guidelines, and it's actually a real problem onboarding new users to the fediverse (mastadon's "where is the content" meme, for example)
Because the larger the number of people in the group, the more disagreement there will be about defines "bad actors" and "minor fauxpas". Right now in this thread people are arguing over whether or not these should be classified as NSFW, for instance.
I know you meant meant linux just as an example, but what I am trying to understand is how much of an habit is it for you to get into content discovery mode that you worry about "doing it in public"?
I'm not really up for a discussion on the foundational concept of ethos since it's like 5am here, but conversations like this thread are pretty fundamental to how every human endeavor functions (hence why they're broadly called 'forums'). I don't expect everyone to always do the "right thing" (nor do I want to litigate the minutiae of what "right thing" could mean in this context), but giving up on the entire idea of having a guideline to follow just because some people won't seems a little defeatist.
Lemmy is still extremely new, and finding new communities to help grow (or even just finding new sources of content to consume, which is similarly valid) is fairly difficult without resorting to the one tool we have to help discover them. I'd wager, without having access to the backend, that right now the majority of users browse by /all since most niche communities only have at best a handful of new posts a week, and that content is exhausted quickly. At least, that's what I do, and I'm really very confident in my not-even-being-slightly-not-basic
Yeah, I could bet that is the case as well. But while I understand the justification for this behavior, I don't think that it makes for a healthy one. Browsing by /all because the content of my curated feed is stale seems like driving to a McDonalds after finishing a healthy dinner and I'm not feeling completely full.
I’m not trying to conform the world to my taste. Porn like stuff makes the platform less appealing in general.
All is where we make our first impression to the world. All is where (on a still growing platform) people go to discover. I don’t think having an additional “soft NSFW” filter would be a bad thing.
There’s a reason most clients have an NSFW filter in their settings.
That's literally your taste in content. I'm sure there's plenty of people who find porn like stuff more appealing.
Also, All isn't the first impression, it's almost always your instance feed that is the default.
OP is on lemmy.world, and default feed is All (sorted by Active) there
No that’s not my taste in content. That’s me trying to get this reddit alternative to gain traction. And it’s not going to do that by being an echo chamber. If you have kids, you want parental controls so they don’t have to see certain content. If you’re at work, you want be able to prevent suggestive drawings to hit your screen, or on public transport.
Your response act as if I’m asking for a ban. I’m asking for an ability for the user to control it. Leave it off by default for all I care (which is what the current NSFW setting does).
/all may not be the first impressing, but it is where the majority of new user will go due to their instance not necessarily having that much content.
Which one, exactly? A woman showing a nipple? Artistic renditions of men in classic statues? A furry? A LGBTQ person existing?
That's how it begins. We've already seen how it ends.
I occasionally see similar complaints, and I’m sure it’s legitimate for some users. But personally I don’t get it. I don’t block NSFW content, and yet I rarely see it in /all. When I do it’s usually a bunch at once, but like I said it doesn’t happen a lot.
The only thing in /all that used to bother me is the sports stuff, but by blocking a single community that’s mostly gone now.
The subscription tab exists for this very reason. Stop being a selfish prick and trying to curate /ALL
You're somewhat correct of course but the NSFW tag exists for a reason. If there is one entire category of /all you can just filter out due to lack of interest, it should be stuff like that. Maybe at some point we'll also get an 'AI' tag.
The pro of being able to 'safely', for lack of a better term, browse /all is being able to discover stuff that you are not subscribed to, stuff you might not find otherwise.
And I think everyone here can agree that any of these subs that are focused on explicit material should absolutely be pressured into setting the sub NSFW.
The part that has people against the OP is that he's claiming a girl in a relatively modest bikini should be flagged NSFW, and that a sub for non-explicit anime pics should have to adopt the NSFW label, which seems excessive to me.
I'm on an instance that blocks nsfw instances. Because I don't want porn in my feed.
I DO want the anime girls though.
Are you suggesting I should deal with a feed full porn in order to get that?
So you're good with everything except the nipple? I mean, I'm not even particularly hardline about this topic, that just seems like a really really niche use case that you want catered to
I'm good with nipples. And porn for that matter. I just don't want it in my feed.
I have nipples in my phone wallpaper rotation. Female ones. But the relevant pieces fall into the artistic rather than pornographic category.
NSFW is a insanely fuzzy concept that allows you to draw the line essentially anywhere. It's why I'm on an instance that blocks porn, rather than just using an account with nsfw tagged content disabled. Because that way I can keep nsfw enabled, and not miss stuff I want to see, because some people will mark stuff I would never in my wildest dreams think is nsfw.
Or they just use it to mark spoilered content, nevermind that people with nsfw disabled wont then see the post at all.
My instance manually blocks instances and communities that are pornographic. Because that's literally the only way this can work.
There will always be someone who thinks any given piece of content should/shouldn't be considered nsfw.
It's a gradient that allows you to slightly lean in onen direction or the other, so stop acting like it should "at least" do anything. It does not draw a clear line, and there is no way to shift online culture so that it could.
So... nothing being presented here would effect you at all, then? If you don't have NSFW content blocked, and your instance manually reviews blocked instances, marking softcore stuff as NSFW wouldn't change how you interact with that content (unless your instance is overly zealous in blocking). So what's the problem here?
I run a ton of these communities.
And I care about the fediverse as a whole.
Marking an entire category of content as nsfw because a tiny minority can't be bothered to block it themselves, without good reason, will immediately kneecap community and content discovery.
I saw this in the numbers immediately.
I do still use the feature. And I calibrate the line of what is and what is not, based on votes, comments and reports.
One, single, upset person, is not reason enough cut off dozens or hundreds of people from encountering content they might like.
No! Those who posts unmarked NSFW are the ones that should stop being a selfish prick and mark it as NSFW
The example OP has giving isn't even NSFW though, so no tag is warranted.
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Well since you obviously didn't open the link, it's a girl in a fully covered bikini. Literally not softcore anything, it's as racy as sports illustrated.
... where do you work that sports illustrated isn't considered NSFW? Seriously I'd get fired out of a cannon if I was caught browsing it at work, this seems kinda disingenuous to imply it's not NSFW just because it's not explicit.
I've seen worse images as people's office wallpaper/screensaver.
Why does your work have cannons
Why are they human-sized barrels
and finally
How do i get a job there
It's legally sold to minors, available in grocery stores, hell I've seen them sitting on a rack in doctor's offices.
NSFW is the terminology we use for actual explicit material, that's the point. It's a shorthand. Getting overly literal about how 'work' should be applied to the context is like arguing that all FPS games are actually RPGs because you're 'playing the role' of some character.
Just because there's no nudity doesn't mean it's safe-for-work. This would absolutely make my female colleagues uncomfortable and that falls under the spirit of NSFW. Getting pedantic about what is or isn't pornographic or nudity to justify having gross pictures up on your screen is entirely beside the point -- if there's any reason it could contribute to a less equitable workplace, it should be labeled NSFW. If there's any debate about it at all, it's the considerate thing to do.
NSFW is cultural shorthand for porn or graphic content. It's not a literal guideline for what's acceptable in every single workplace. Should ACAB posts be labeled NSFW because saying that at my workplace in the US south would make a hell of a lot of people uncomfortable?
And why are you browsing Lemmy at work in full view of passing coworkers? Is it that lax that you can just openly fuck around and your only concern is someone might see a girl in a bikini?
Most employers would be pretty unhappy with you publicly reading the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition.
And they would be fine with you publicly browsing Lemmy on the clock?
They better not go outside then.
Lota of people dress lightly in public, not to mention public art and adverts show quite a lot.
We have several statues of nude men and women in my city!
Requiring that social media be more "sanitized" than normal public life is ridiculous.
If you really wouldn't want a coworker seeing it, it's NSFW I would say.
Personally I think someone even seeing a forum that looks like Reddit open on your work computer is a bit NSFW, but that's what the tag is for.
That image is 100% NSFW
That's your example of softcore porn? There's much racier content on magazine covers in the grocery checkout line. Stop trying to impose your puritanical aesthetic on the rest of the world. It's called /all for a reason. What's wrong with you?!
I feel like you've missed the point entirely.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
I don't know any place which have the proposed "soft nsfw" filter separate from "nsfw".
Comparison with reddit is weird as reddit r/all is full of ""artistic"" pictures or paintings of naked women.
Also the fediverse is not really like reddit. The more the platform grows the more useless All becomes. Try to go to mastodon and browse by "all" it's unusable. Either pick an instance with a good "local" you like or all is not really that important. I don't think it's a "first impressions", first impression is "local".
All is never going to be a curated feed, not a consistent one. It's a federated platform, which means a LOT of diversity and variety on communities and posts.
Also I don't see or even want to start consider anything that shows a little skin "nsfw". I think that's a very personal taste that should not be universally applied.
I really don't buy the argument here.
Argument 1: nobody else has it so why should we? Because we are new, the next step - we improve what needs to be done better.
Argument 2: reddit is full of porn.. see above. We can make it better, at very little cost to anyone.
Argument 3 is undermining your first 2, but I agree. This would cause a few instances to become very popular and render the concept of federation unnecessary.
I don’t understand how a bunch of people here are basically say /all is a sewer, accept it.
I’m say it is not and doesn’t have to be. It is a place for discovery, and there is a way to make that more pleasant. Another commenter said an AI filter would also be good.
All I am suggesting is
In addition to having the Fediverse allowing posts and communities to be marked NSFW, to allow for more filters. One filter like what I am suggesting could be a snowflake or FamFriendly filter which removes suggestive, soft porn or racy or soft gore stuff. Another could be AI which removes synthetically generated content.
How anyone can be against that is beyond me. I’m not asking for these things to be turned on by default, or to shove it down people’s throats. By default /all would still be the same
I understand NSFW and FamilyFriendly are blurry concepts. It is still up to the post OPs, community creators, moderators and instance administrators to use these properly.
People are against it because several reasons.
First because it's a very specific taste/opinion that they don't share. You are saying that "all would be more appealing without softcore porn", but it seems that you are the only one who thinks that here, most people don't care or even like it. We could also put a filter to blurry dog pictures for people scare of dogs, where does it end? Until which point personal tastes should have their own explicit filters? It ends in a "word filter" which is already usable.
Also I would say that most people is against this because it reads as a first step towards a "porn ban". We have no puritan advertisements or pay processor to please. People here like the freedom. And that would be a step in the opposite direction. It reads a little like so many discourses we are seeing in so many places to make them "family friendly" and to "protect the children". I would suppose that due the nature of the fediverse (which is a push back against those people controlling our internet) is against anything that looks like that.
Ok, I hear you. But as I said, it’s just adding filter options to those snowflakes like me, while not changing a single pixel for those like yourself.
Allowing superior UX for more people is how you make the internet better.
Nobody is advocating for a ban, nor can or will this be used as a first step towards one.
History has proven you wrong since as early as the Dark Ages and as recently as two weeks ago in the UK.
Mate no. the UK ban did not originate from a federated open source community implementing filter systems.
Stop spreading absolute panic bullshit like this.
I would say, show me historic proof, but I doubt you’re that type of person.
Also, can we please agree that is really poor netiquette to downvote posts in communities you are not subscribing to? If you are not subscribed to a community, you should have no saying whether the content is relevant to the community or not.
Instead of downvoting, hide posts you don't want the content on your feed or report it if is actually improper content. Downvoting things just because you saw it on /all is counter-productive and hostile af.
No. Some communities I don't want to see regularly, but I know how the community works.
And your solution to that is browsing by /all?
Huh, I browse Subscribed regularly, All I don't? When a post doesn't belong in a community I know (ie regardless of subscription status) I vote down.
You took my comment way too literally, then. What I am asking is for people that browse by /all to stop downvoting everything they see, as if there were trying to train some algorithm.
This can't be real?
Take a look at these and tell me if these people are down voting because they are interested in the community or they are just trying to bury posts they don't like:
https://lemvotes.org/post/communick.news/post/3897488
https://lemvotes.org/post/communick.news/post/3839154
https://communick.news/post/3822175
What? That people browse by /all and downvote everything they don't like? You can bet that this is standard practice. I've argued with a good number of people who treat the /all feed just as a regular feed and feel completely justified in downvoting anything they don't personally like.
I think it's a habit carried over from reddit's algo, which would rank communities you downvote as less likely to be shown to you. People don't really understand how the /all algo works on lemmy (which as I understand it is just the most recently interacted things on the network, blatted out of a hose?)
It is 100% a bad habit inherited from Reddit, and this is one of the many reasons that I wish Fediverse developers stopped trying to emulate the closed platforms and started using ActivityPub as a powerful social graph to be shared by a single client.
I think it might be too early in the life of the fediverse to completely dispense with the underlaying concept - we've only barely gotten enough users to have unique-to-lemmy content - but it's an interesting article & a similarly interesting take. Certainly something should be done to increase new communities 'discoverability' to the broad userbase. The current
/allalgo is already a huge improvement over the very early days, so there's probably value in developing the idea further (including potentially adopting that social graph idea, though implementation would be... difficult, while maintaining the decentralized control the fediverse was explicitly designed to have)Phanpy (a client for Mastodon) is showing that we can have the customization and discoverability happening in-device. Decentralization would improve if we stop relying on this platform-centric approach and started building on generic ActivityPub servers.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. I feel like that this generation of developers just keep making the mistakes from the past when they could instead learn from the elders.
I meant my request to mark the community as NSFW is being downvoted, which I understand.
I downvote the post only if the mod just removes my request, which I think is mod abuse.
Then block the community, report to the admin if the community is not respecting the instance rules and carry on with your day. Downvoting is just some passive-aggressive way of expressing your disapproval for the tastes/interests of the community members.
You’ll find that admin == mod == post OP in a lot of these cases
One more reason to just block the community or even the instance.
Everyone calm yer tits
*jumps*
Filter ani.social
It's also bad because of the UK online safety act. I don't want our flamingo to be at risk :(
You've upset the thirsty weebs. They yearn for their Yuri furi porn.
No there is nothing to do. This is decentralized social media. This is what they want. This place will never be popular, will always lack the content, and in general be a shit show content wise.
You're a... brave person, posting this on Lemmy of all places. The only thing more dangerous would posting the word *f*ck* OH SHIT LOOK OUT HERE THEY COME!