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NickwithaCI'm so glad Audacity is getting some much needed love!
Now when will Gimp get the same treatment... I know some people like it but I just can't. I'd rather use Affinity Photo via proton a custom wine version (ElementalWarriorWine)
TruePe4rlI usually go with Krita. Not because of the UI, i just learnt to use it first and like it. Or Inkscape for vector graphics.
Krita I tried for while, but I've been spoiled by Affinity Photo's selection tool. Can't use path tool or magic wand anymore
Agreed. Krita is a better program for print design. The fact that it has a full range of color models built in is powerful stuff. Not just CMYK, but LAB and many others. But GIMP has its advantages for some tasks if you never leave the realm of RGB.
Ah, didn’t know it worked with Proton!
I have an Affinity license that’s just been collecting dust while I use the Photopea web app.
It does! Works pretty well even. I followed this guide: https://github.com/seapear/AffinityOnLinux
Gimp is a misbegotten, irredeemable piece of UI trash. The fact that it's been around this long and gets egregiously worse with each iteration is baffling to me.
I mean, it in a very literal way the parent project of GTK, and therefore indirectly responsible for GNOME, so that kind of checks out. I use it quite often though, and you can learn it to do what you wanna do.
Hey I don't want to come off the wrong way, couple decades ago gimp was very useful to me, when I was trapped in a company that wouldn't pay a penny for any kind of software, and on the FOSS side of things choices for imaging applications were sparse at best. Gimp was a lifesaver at times.
But it always been an interface disaster. I spent decades doing UI/X alongside other development, and gimp has always been a piece of shit designed by a programmer with the toxic "what it works" mentally.
It's looking freaking gorgeous. Tentacrul is the bomb. His work on MuseScore is arguably the best UX/UI in the FOSS world. It even beats most if not all of the proprietary alternatives in the same category.
He also did a great tribute video to Tim Smith / Cardiacs. Was already in my good books, went beyond with that one.
JustEnoughDucksI wish he would bring his skills to freecad 😂😂 it is needed!
I actually like FreeCAD and its UI a lot and the recent improvements are huge! Yes it has its quirks but for a tool as versatile as FreeCAD they are acceptable.
It's definitely improving! I hope they also improve the default shortcuts because having to reach to almost the last key on the other side of the keyboard (k) for the single most used constraint is pretty nuts while there are almost unused closer keys lol.
Full UI overhaul?! I can't believe they had the audacity to do this!
Aatubei mean they were using the rather old wxwidgets
Holy shit yes. Also while we’re at it please guys add an option to put the timeline in just seconds instead of minutes:seconds
He made a comment in the video that people have been running versions of audacity that have not been updated in 10 years. I went and had a look at the version I had installed. Yep.
I actually assumed it did have an auto update feature and they're just wasn't any updates.
OMG! I read that as Full AI Overhaul.
They are adding “AI” features in a collaboration with Intel, but luckily they’re minor additions like ML based noise reduction
In other words tasks that "AI" is actually good for, not attempting to generate your music or apply some kind of "magic filter".
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AdrianTheFrogThis isn't new, the features have been in the app for a while now
That logo is fucking terrible. Cult minimalism produced a red sperm and a disconnected semicircle. It reads as nothing.
The 'classic look' in dark mode still puts 90% of the interface in light mode.
No other complaints.
Captain AggravatedIn the video, Tantacrul shows how it matches with the aesthetic of the rest of Muse's icons...but it kind of doesn't.
He (correctly) insisted on keeping the headphone iconography, but the rest of Muse's icons are letters. UltimateGuitar's imp ears plus arrow makes a G one, then the others are abstract geometric T for Tonebridge, a weird S for MuseScore, a really bad circle/diagonal line for an A for audio.com and two verticle lines and a circle for an H for MuseHub, whatever the hell that is. And then Audacity's headphones. Going for stylistic resemblance...for the logos of websites, phone apps and desktop apps that probably won't be seen together. Plus in a lot of places MuseScore's Mu with fermata mark is still in use.
Honestly, the comparison with the rest of those icons was the only part I respected. It's a suite of cult minimalist bullshit. Which still doesn't explain how nobody went, "that's a sperm."
Or at least, "why isn't it blue or yellow?"
Doesn't look like a sperm to me, it looks like broken headphones.
The magenta is also...it's like, if the Firefox logo was suddenly green. That's not Audacity's color.
Watched last weekend. Not a huge fan of the rebrand, but the changes that actually count look great.
ZagorathWatched last weekend.
On Nebula? !nebula@lemmy.world if you're interested.
clb92Yeah, the branding is definitely 'meh' at best, but even worse, in my opinion, is the tight integration with the whole Muse ecosystem and MuseHub thing (and the default download on the website being the MuseHub-based installer too) and built-in cloud storage crap. It just feels wrong to have an open source application integrated so tightly into all their proprietary services all the way through. Just installed the latest version 3.7.5, and I was surprised at how much nagging there was, on both the website and in the application itself.
But other than the whole Muse stuff, Audacity 4.0 looks really awesome in terms of UI and UX. And at least there is a non-MuseHub installer and you can choose not to use their other stuff, and say no to the telemetry...
Frankly, since it's still open source, I'm ok with it since it also means developpement is much faster, and you can avoid it. At least for me when I installed it on linux through the app store, I didn't notice any of your complaints.
As someone with no attachement to the previous branding I quite like the new branding though, fits the new vibe of the app quite well.
i've never had noticeable lag in audacity besides a niche crash that got fixed. though the cloud storage thing never ever worked for me. it's nice though and you still save locally instead of to cloud by default. plusi think the musehub thing is kinda explainable with the proprietary effects marketplace they added to musehub, and it's not like audacity plugins were always foss anyways
i've never had noticeable lag
I think you misread 'nagging' as 'lagging' in my comment
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HiddenLayer555Hope the new UI fixes the FFT view lagging.
MarshezezzI've long been hoping for a FOSS alternative to Garage Band. I think LMMS is the closest but it lacks live music recording, its UI is miserable, and the last release was 2020. It would be great if someone could merge Audacity and LMMS.
This is pretty high on my list of coding projects that I would support if I didn't need to spend most of my time serving capital.
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GalactoseI wonder what happened to it's forks, Tenacity & Audacium
I remember that there was an issue with mainline audicity, like they put malware in it or something? And that’s why it was forked?
OlapTenacity has replaced this years ago. Fuck around, find out!
they backtracked on the privacy policy and said they had really overzealous lawyers that they somehow mistrusted lawyers doing so "out of an abundance of caution" so i'm still giving them one final chance here since that issue was resolved rather quickly (within two weeks, which is why i'm not absolving them and giving them a chance, but it's been uneventful since 2021 so i think that strike's gonna expire in a year)
and i don't think the telemetry was every an issue since it was always going to be opt-in
tenacity does not have the rally useful beats and measures feature for some reason
Chloé 🥕if the concern is just about telemetry, I seriously wonder why Tenacity isn’t just a soft fork of Audacity, like VSCodium is to VS code, or Librewolf to Firefox.
that way you get the best of both worlds, the amazing new features in Audacity, without the worry of corporate control
Because then you're just describing Audacity. The concerning feature has to be intentionally activated by the user. And if you download and build it yourself then that part of the code isn't even accessible. You have to modify the code to activate it before you build it. I'm actually glad with the way they handled it. They listen to the user base and if you follow tantacrul he regularly consults changes with the users.
telemetry and a reverted privacy policy change that lost some goodwill, but i agree
They also pissed off a lot of contributors and community members. Tenacity for me!
And what exactly does Tenacity bring to the table other than a name replace across the code-base?
The non-destructive editing and realtime effects alone are a huge jump in capability between the current and old versions of Audacity, and that's before we even discuss UI improvements
From what I could tell when I looked into it after a comment someone left on !nebula@lemmy.world, some people were very upset at the privacy implications of Audacity adding an update detection mechanism (which can be turned off, and which is not included at all in the default build if you build it yourself).
Are people are actually upset about an auto update feature? A feature that has been pretty standard in programs for a very long time?
I understood some of the upset when they added telemetry, but auto-update?
Not even auto-update. Just auto detect updates. Then you go and download it yourself manually.
Auto-update-detection meant that the software was calling out to a remote server, so they updated the TOS to reflect that, and people got upset.
afaik most distros and flathub package it without that for obvious reasons
(for package management, not weird concerns like “they’re adding an entire http library to audacity for this so they must be in the process of using it for something else”)
Ardour is milea ahead on all that anyway. Tenacity is a simple multi-channel recorder. That's all it needs to be
Hard agree! It fills a really specific use case, for ease of use, relatively simple projects (though like any simple tech, artists gonna art and make something massive lol).
Aurduor and the like (I jumped over to Reaper) are truly excellent options for more intense projects.
Yeah... Who the hell uses audacity anymore.
procapra(Based on the screenshot only)
Where's the menu gone?
Screenshot from macos, so I assume in the top bar
muusemuuseI’ve actually switched to Ocenaudio for what little I do and have been happy.
nasi_gorengThey had to give us something for all that telemetry to keep their entirely educated and tech savy user base on board. 🙄
The video is great, and I’m excited for the new Audacity. But that logo/icon is an abomination.
I think the logo's supoosed to evoke a lowercase letter 'a' (for Audacity).
The video talks a lot about bending over backwards to not lose existing users. They could have kept a smaller version of the waveform between the earcups as an homage to the original icon.
Ragebait logo, 10/10
Agreed, such ragebait!
Wasn't there some drama around Audacity not being FLOSS anymore?
No, Audacity is licensed as GPLv2+.
Audacity was bought in 2021 by Muse Group, and a few weeks later, they announced that they would introduce Google Analytics and Yandex-based “telemetry”. After strong criticism by the community, Muse Group backtracked, emphasized their commitment to the GPL license, dropped their plans to include Google/Yandex tracking, and instead opted for a self-hosted solution for bug reports and update checks. Both can be disabled, and some distributions disable them by default.
Still, a few forks emerged, Tenacity is the only one that is still actively being maintained. The last commit is from today, but their repository is at 16k commits, compared to 21k commit for Audacity, so it seems the two projects have diverged.
I’m glad they stuck with it!
It's a sperm/a ghost looking into a bowl?
It's def a change (that tiny, pointy, disconnected tail :|), but I guess it's a rebrand on a higher level. Either way it does communicate that the look & feel is/will be all new.
It would look much better rotated
Still only going to use Tenacity but cool to know
I understand the frustration, but responding in a salty way like this is not classy. But, as said, I can really understand the developer here.
I disagree. Making shitty low-quality misinformation needs to be called out, especially since the 2nd guy disregarded the pinned comment informing the 1st guy as “damage control”
The reaction guy was only in it for the clicks and ad revenue, it’s okay to clown on a 🤡
Whose response are you talking about here?
The person on the video. I'm not sure what you mean by the question. The video begins with frustration over others opinions with wrong facts. I think the way it was handled is not very good. The few minutes in the beginning of the video. I'm still watching the rest right now.
I disagree, but that may be because I'm used to how Tantacrul videos go.
He's usually sassy like this, and the Weaver Beats video was made in bad faith.
I expect class from Idris Elba, not from the guy running a contentious open source project.
If anything, this is the upper end of what I expect from open source leadership.
The rest of the video is actually pretty good. And as said, the reaction in the beginning is totally understandable. But the way he narrated and presented the beginning part is not what I like. In one part he even zoomed in to the teeth part of the guy. Really, this looked like someone is angry at typical YouTube bullshit.
But, you know, I'm personally sassy like this too in forums. But I'm also not a leader of a project of this size. I really disliked that portion of first 4 minutes or so and even if its only that much, it sticks with me as first impression.
Yea, the teeth bit was mean spirited and unnecessary.
I don't mind sass from leadership. It's leagues better than sanitized corpo-speak.
Sass doesn't have to be mutually exclusive from professionalism, but it is a fine line to walk.