FOSSDLE PieFedLibreOffice Leave X/Twitter in favor of Mastodon
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Amazing to see Mastodon instead of Bluesky there ! Too many people falling for the Bluesky trap...
Yeah, I'm surprised how many go to Bluesky. It's just Twitter all over again, controlled by a single company.
What is the social media name of clown Zuck? I feel old
Threads.
Also instagram should be shown there too as its owned by facebook.
....and also Whatscrap
Thank you!
The thing that make them move to Bluesky, its Elon, not the federation (Which is a shame tbh)
It wasn't the "controlled by a single company" part that made me leave Twitter, honestly. It was the Nazi CEO...
that's the best part, just as twitter was sold to a nazi bluesky can be sold to a nazi too!
that's what can happen when it is controlled by a single company
Then we'll leave Bluesky too. 🤷
And fly to the next private one that will be bought in time by another Nazi?
If it's a good replacement, maybe. I'll deal with that if it happens. One battle at a time.
I'm with you on this one. Can't knock every single product owned by a company assuming all CEOs are Nazis...
But a big red flag is when a company sells itself to a billionaire, or goes public on the stock market. That's when we should start to worry.
I think they do actually want Twitter again though. Admittedly, what Twitter used to be was still much better than what it is now.
Yeah, they are looking for "early twitter", without reflecting too much on why "early twitter" that they loved turned into what it is today. I think many are forgetting that it took a turn for the worse long before Musk bought it.
Tbh I am on Bluesky more than Mastodon. Bluesky just feels easier to use. Normal users don’t care about federation. They want the app to work easily for them. Mastodon requires a bit to get a good feed etc. Bluesky you can be lazy. Wish Mastodon had like a default “what’s hot” or “Discover” feed. Really helps find people to follow as well.
That'a trading freedom for "convenience"
Ease of use is one of the failings of the federation that needs to be addressed or it will never have a larger pool of users.
But can it really be addressed? Centralized systems will probably always be easier to use. For example, if you want to follow a lemmy community, it will be community@somewhere instead of just the community name, and it will be possible to have competing communities with the same same but different servers. This will always leave people confused, and it's something inherent to the federated model
That’s part of the problem. Confusion like this just leads people to not engage with the platform. I suppose it is what it is and just enjoy this place while there are still people here.
To complement my previous comment, I believe the best course for us would be, instead of trying to address something that will never be better than in centralized networks, to try creating things that are great and exclusive to the fediverse. People can deal with minor inconveniences if they get some unique experience in exchange
How can we create something exclusive to the fediverse?
Actually deltachat as a federated chatclient feels nearly as easy as signal. Just login to mail account, done.
Just one setting right now really annoys me: You see all the mails in the inbox. I don't know why that is not turned off as default.
Open source content serving algorithms? We’d need to classify the content and have a server that recommends based on the algorithm. Also, user tracking to some degree (but maybe that can be handled locally?)
This is exactly what's wrong with social media platforms and I don't want to use anything like that.
I think a simple ‘popular’ or ‘trending’ feed wouldn’t need user tracking. Or if it was really needed to be customized maybe users could opt into share what topics they are interested in when they sign up
I don’t see how it couldn’t theoretically be done on the user’s end with the right client. Choose a certain feed and the client takes the information shared in the incoming post data like the title, description, community, vote count, and instance. Then isolates each post, classifies it, ranks it based on user preferences stored locally like upvote and downvote history, and the client then chooses the order of posts to show to the user. And if you wanted to go there you could even have a local simple machine learning model creating descriptions of image posts to cover everything.
Granted I actually know nothing about programming, but I don’t think you’d actually be processing that much data if you kept the algorithm simple. All it actually has to do is just choose a ranking based on metrics and keywords and assigned values. It also doesn’t have to achieve maximum retention or have single digit millisecond load time, it just has to give people a customized experience.
The problem is that all this overhead and maintenance would require some form of monetization, like injecting ads into the feed. Something like that has almost no demand right now, because the options we have for sorting are good enough and the people who want custom algorithms don’t know what federation means and aren’t paying. And honestly I think it might be better without it, because personally I don’t want lemmy to go mainstream and am happy with where it is now. I sort by top of the day in All, which basically crowdsources ranking anyways.
The last couple mastodon updates made it easier to access the trending feed (which afaik has existed since 2021) and added features like quote posts. Bluesky starter packs and custom shareable feeds are definitely its major perks.
The odds though bluesky will get bought up by right wing billionaires in the next 10 years is almost 100% unless there's a major change in media management laws so don't get too attached to bluesky since there is like a nonzero chance trump jr buys it with his crypto bribes.
You mean like Mastodon's "Trending" and "Discover" feeds?
I don't think that ease of use is the problem. The problem is, people want an exact copy. Most people don't like changes, they just hope that the alternative is the same, just without the issues they leaving it. Same expectations for GIMP and Linux operating systems... (for the normie at least).
"Trending" gets you somewhat the way there to a "what's hot." Though I wish it'd update more often.
But, in reality, that just means I get off of my phone sooner because I've seen the same stuff so that's fine.
They were on mastodon since 2019, its a shift away from twitter.
Edit: spell
mastrodon? Did John Mastodon change his name lately?
I believe it was merely a typo.
Hey man I thought it was funny
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Release the Epstein files?
Hehe, unfortunately not. But maybe you can read them soon with their brilliant software!
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Give them a follow at @libreoffice@fosstodon.org to show them support!
Edit: I tried to search how to create the link, but couldn't find the right info, so would appreciate any insight. But you should be able to search in Mastodon for them.
Easy, open your Mastodon instance, put in the searchbar there the instance from LibreOffice. After this it will appear in your feed where you can click on the follow button. Done
does anyone know why fosstodon seems to be blocked on piefed.social?
There was drama last year because the (or one?) moderator of fosstodon is a fascist.
That's unfortunate. I understand the admin's perspective, but most users, myself included, are likely in the dark about these backend issues. It’s frustrating to have barriers to following people in an already small community. Is this just the inevitable tradeoff of federation? If anyone knows of a less regulated piefed instance, I’m all ears.
it's a tradeoff you're choosing to accept by using piefed; it literally had other fediverse instances blocking hard coded in its source.
i hate letting anyone decide who i can and can't talk to so i chose instances with minimal blocking set by default and you might want to consider it if letting others decide for you is causing you this sort of consternation.
Not being able to follow someone isn't a federation problem, it's an instance mismatch problem.
When you can't follow the people you want on Twitter (because they were banned), that's an instance mismatch. Your preferences don't align with Twitter's.
The difference is that, with Twitter, there is only one instance. You can't switch to a different Twitter where those people aren't blocked.
On Fedi, you can choose an instance that blocks and federates according to your preference. And if you can't find one (unlikely for most users), you can host your own.
If you just want Piefed instances with less regulation, these appear to have the fewest number of blocks:
As far as I can tell piefed.ca seems to be less regulated than piefed.social
Pretty sure both of the original admins of Fosstodon stepped downed.
Yeah, I think it's reasonably run and invite-only now, so the ban should probably be lifted. @Skavau@piefed.social , something to consider? :)
@rimu@piefed.social This would have been a rimu decision.
PieFed.social has not intentionally defederated from fosstodon - piefed.social automatically defederates from any instance that lemmy.world or mastodon.social defederates from. That way I don't need to keep up with the latest fedi drama and just trust those admin teams to.
In this case, it's lemmy.world.
I'll ask around and see what the latest on fosstodon is and see if lemmy.world wants to federate with them again.
@Skavau@piefed.social @cabbage@piefed.social
Good news. The old fosstodon admins resigned and they have a new team and a good code of conduct.
I have added new functionality to PieFed so it's now possible to override an automatically imported defederation and now piefed.social federates with fosstodon.org.
thanks for the update!
Lemmy.world has removed their defed too 👍
This is what federation actually is. Admins investing their free time to make people happy instead of money driven moderation which is not able to stop e.g. human trafficking.
Thanks for your work @rimu@piefed.social !
I'm not sure if it's Lemmy or my client (Jerboa) but when I tap on that link I don't get their real Mastodon profile. I get something that looks legit, but it has minimal details and only one post from 9 months ago??
My dad is a 60 year old warehouse manager and ex highschool-principal.
I recently found that he prefers using libreoffice at work for spreadsheets.
I did a test with a group of gen z on my work (I'm the IT guy) that never used excel before (Or used only once), and most of them liked libreoffice.
The only detail was the ones that used Excel before, i change the interface to the microsoft one, but they did not liked.
So they ask for the original from microslop...
What took so long?!
They have been on Mastodon for many years already. As for why it takes so long to leave Twitter I guess it's the same reason as everyone else - giving up on reaching the people there seems like a big loss to some.
I'm still flabergasted by the fediverse sometimes. I search for libreoffice in my mastodon client and one of the results is "libreoffice@lemmy.ml" and even a peertube instance.
If the mastodon instance you are on doesn’t know about LibreOffice’s account, then it won’t show. You will have to search for their handle/username like this: @libreoffice@fosstodon.org
This is mostly a problem on smaller instances. The bigger an instance is, the more connections to other instances it has.
Oh thanks, but I did find the correct account. Just also thing I wouldn't expect, like lemmy. But in hindsight it's obvious because of how the fediverse works. It was just a fun reminder of how cool the concept of federlization is.
Ah okay. Then I simply misunderstood you.
It is indeed very cool how the Fediverse works. Everything is connected in one way or another other.
You have to understand that federation doesn't happen instantly. Your server has to sync with the other instances before you can find the account you're looking for.
Stuff like this is why Bluesky is more popular than Mastodon. We need to find a way to fix these little quirks if we are serious about growing the fediverse
Not always... making things too convenient brought us where we are today: a lot of people are stupid and don't understand simple things. Call me old school, but I prefer to have things move slower and make people try to understang how technologies work, not feed them everything directly!
I like learning new tech too, but if we’re being realistic then we have to admit that the fediverse will not grow unless we spoon feed it to people. Maybe we don’t want it to grow that much. That’s a conversation we could have. But we should acknowledge that there are tradeoffs here
Yeah they're open-source minded, this totally aligns with their ideals. Good for them.
Yayy infact most OSSs should switch
based as hell
So fetch
Honestly floored at how many open-source projects don't even HAVE a Mastodon presence. Like, I get it, you need a social media presence where your users are (and at least a presence on the big, billionaire-owned platforms to at LEAST have a hedge against copycats/scammers), but at least HAVE one there. And have a Lemmy community! Yoof.
Same best approach would be to just have a presence on legacy social media and the open source people social media
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For those considering, always remember that you don’t have to „move“, but can simply use the platforms in parallel. It’s a good compromise if leaving the more active network feels too heavy.
Yes but also leave the Nazi bar. Use Bluesky as your "active network" if you need one.
I don't understand why any brand is on it. I ran a big brand account on tech product and there almost zero conversion rates coming from Twitter despite thousands of likes and views.
Twitter is mostly bots and grifters and only product you can grow there has to be for bots and grifters.
Just a logical consequence, other will follow.
They should have done that a long time ago.
I mean if libre stuff is not getting off we cannot expect much from others but even this suggests they are reducing their xitter activity which is likely the way to go. Do a minimal on it to keep the recognition and expansively post in the federation.
And so should all the other OSS projects.
Libreoffice is great !
Good for them. LibreOffice is a decent replacement for Microsoft. LibreOffice comes standard on most Linux distros
Thank you
Legendary!
Let's gooooo!!! Also hoping we can get gif support on Mastodon/Pixelfed/etc. Would he a tiny yet massive way to make the platforms more interactive. Each community can enable or disable gifs as an option and allow users to disable gif's completely. That would be a good way to have it
Awesome!
Very nice
Read it in Borat 🩲 👍
Hell yeah I'll follow them on masto
what mastodon server do you recommend ?
I mean it doesn't really matter that much, I am currently on kind.social, because I like the name.
I would suggest you use fedi.garden to find your own server.
https://cyberpunk.lol/ :3
You could just make your own pod at fedihost if you dont know which pod to pick. Then you can make your own emojis and rules.
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They're reducing and not leaving X because there's fucking nobody on mastodon in comparison. Reach still matters and the fediverse is very hostile to normies
Its a message about aligning with certain ideals and certain people.
Well obviously. I was calling them out for the reason for the half-measure. They want to signal their values while not abandoning the larger shittier advertising market. I've never used Twitter/X because it's always been an obvious cess pit but organizations can't resist that place or Reddit, or so it seems.
yay! sucks that they're on https://fashtodon.org/ tho
does this instance have this reputation?
yeah there was a big thing about it a year or so ago
more info https://mastodon.social/@lo__/114370692797365997
that helps explain mastodon's push to id verification.
No
Libreoffice doesnt work for me. Too much annoyance.
LibreOffice works great for me. One of the most useful FOSS softwares I've used for school. Do you want to actually elaborate on what about it doesn't work for you and potentially get help, or just complain into the void?
I run a small business with LibreOffice
Good on you. Simply doesnt work for me.
Im not going to be a detective if the program has a lot of issues out of the box.
Each to their own. I got more issues with Microsoft, Google docs which is why I stopped using them for really long documents. Still use Google docs for most things but not all.
Im not using either. Using more markdown/cryptpad, or whatnot based on need.
Markdown is great open standard with pandoc.
Ill check it out:)
I hope they don't phase X out, because that would be a social media suicide. Orgs, public personas and projects are not average users and can't really care about personal preference or user experience, they only need to care where people are. They are there to get social media reach and just jumping out of Xitter would harm their social media presence and the project.
Actually, I think in one point you are right: Don't phase out X. Because that would mean all the horrible people would go to all the alternatives and spread like viruses... So leave X there for honeypot of dumb users.
Is there any data on how many actual people still regularly use Twitter? I feel like you're assuming that that's where the users are, and maybe that's still true, but I don't know a single real life person who still actually uses it.
X has 600 million users, Mastodon 9-10 million. Even if you assume 2/3 of Xitter are bots, that's still 20x difference in reach. You should know that you and I are not "normal" for using Mastodon. A group of randomly picked people 9/10 will know of X/twitter, maybe 3/10 have heard of Mastodon.
You are right. It is also not "normal" to use twitter. Youtube, Facebook and WhatsApp are most widely used. But FOSS doesn't not need to be normal. It is absolutely OK to have a smaller circle of people who therefore associate more with the organisation.
Heise reports on user-traffic (in German) comparing mastodon and x:
"“Twitter now only generates a third of the traffic it did three years ago.” For several weeks, the number of clicks generated by Heise via X has been lower than those generated via the decentralized Twitter alternative Mastodon. This is despite the fact that the main page “heise online” has almost 240,000 followers on X and only just under 66,000 on Mastodon."
weeps for the unserved nazis, racists, and pedophiles of X
It isn't an airport. We don't need to keep announcing everyone's departure.
Clown take. This comment would make a lot more sense if the original post were made by some cry baby throwing a tantrum after getting spawn camped; however, in this case, the original post is spreading the word about how and where a product's dev team can be reached going forward (and how/where they cannot be reached anymore). We very much need these kinds of announcements.
It's an airstrip in a warzone. Every departure is newsworthy.