FOSSDLE PieFedSpreading of the 100 biggest Lemmy communities
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The biggest surprise for me was the https://hexbear.net count, an instance I hardly interact with.
| Community Count | Community Subscriber Count | |
|---|---|---|
| beehaw.org | 6 | 133450 |
| hexbear.net | 33 | 663204 |
| lemdro.id | 1 | 17052 |
| lemmy.blahaj.zone | 1 | 15907 |
| lemmy.dbzer0.com | 1 | 53006 |
| lemmy.ml | 14 | 356460 |
| lemmy.one | 1 | 16257 |
| lemmy.world | 39 | 851950 |
| lemmynsfw.com | 2 | 33586 |
| sh.itjust.works | 1 | 16006 |
| sopuli.xyz | 1 | 14093 |
The data this is based on comes from https://lemmyverse.net where you can just download a full json of the data they have (I excluded all communities marked as "suspicious")
EDIT: The data if you sort by active users last month:
| Community Count | Community Active Month Count | |
|---|---|---|
| awful.systems | 1 | 2616 |
| feddit.org | 2 | 7363 |
| feddit.uk | 2 | 5289 |
| hexbear.net | 1 | 2952 |
| lemdro.id | 1 | 2898 |
| lemm.ee | 3 | 8898 |
| lemmy.blahaj.zone | 1 | 11422 |
| lemmy.ca | 3 | 14910 |
| lemmy.dbzer0.com | 3 | 13752 |
| lemmy.ml | 10 | 54949 |
| lemmy.world | 57 | 338384 |
| lemmy.wtf | 1 | 3602 |
| lemmy.zip | 3 | 12020 |
| mander.xyz | 1 | 11469 |
| sh.itjust.works | 5 | 37365 |
| slrpnk.net | 3 | 10897 |
| sopuli.xyz | 2 | 10070 |
| ttrpg.network | 1 | 4107 |
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I knew hexbear was big but not that big
I haven't even heard of it xd
. world is defederated with hexbear iirc
Oh. Why?
You could go visit hexbear and you'd find out pretty quickly. It's definitely not for everyone.
Other comments hit on this but I'll add a little more. There is a good bit of trolls/trolling, some extreme views, and authoritarian government praise. Things like that.
Lemm.ee (my instance) is still federated so I see hexbear post/ comments. It's definitely a more problematic instance imo.
Oh okay, got it
It's an entire instance of teenage trolls
Most instances block them so most communities on those instances won't see them either. Once you find certain communities on instances that don't block them you suddenly see half the comments being from hexbear, which likely quickly makes you block those communities fairly quickly.
I only scroll all for now... Hexbear is the only thing I have blocked. I just got tired of trolly garbage.
What is hexbear? I never see it in my feed.
Your instance is defederated from them
It's essentially where reddit's old Chapo Trap House community went after reddit banned them in 2020. It started federating with the rest of the fediverse some time last year, but there was a bit of a culture clash between it and some other larger instances and several of them defederated it
To be fair, that's because liberalism is closer to fascism than any sort of leftism, and many of these instances have a strongly liberal user base because many were with Reddit longer than most leftists were.
I really don't think the specific date of reddit departure is what shaped the politics of either community, especially not when the one you're saying was less shaped by reddit was born out of a political subreddit
Hexbear's site culture is full of in jokes and big on dunking. That's always going to be abrasive to outsiders, even without the whole thing where all of their many emojis were enormous on other instances
I only know it because it is often mentioned when talking about trolling
Think of it as the Tankie version of The Donald.
Horseshoe theory strikes again.
Political illiteracy strikes again
Yeah, I'm doing my best to learn the concepts but I have a ways to go.
It's an instance mostly based around authoritarian communism. They got banished from Reddit quite a bit before the black out.
It’s a leftist server. LW defederated from them months ago because they have some, well, interesting takes on things like the war in Ukraine. I can’t recall the exact cited reasons for defederation but I’m sure you could find the defederation post on lemmy world’s announcements page.
.world never federated with Hexbear from what I remember. I'm pretty sure they were on the block list before Hexbear got federation completed. There was no single incident as far as I know.
Wrong. They federated with them then had a big discussion on if they should defederate (you can probably still find it in meta). It’s why I left - I prefer to make my own defederation decisions (and I like Hexbear, and Piracy too).
Source: I was there.
Most instance defederated from because they are tankies that talk a lot of bullshit. However, im not entirely sure if I would really call them leftists. More like communistic Authoritarians, yes, communism is something mound mostly in left communities, but not to sure if their takes on human rights for people with other opinions and stuff like that makes them really left.
I’d be comfortable calling many of them red fash but I was trying to be diplomatic.
They’ve existed for a while. A lot of subscribers are inactive users. Kind of like reddit where a sub can have 5k people and still be inactive.
It’s big enough to feel their presence in every corner of the platform unfortunately
I cannot facepalm hard enough when I see lgbt ppl who praise Soviets or North Korea
Yeah I can’t say I was bothered when LW defederated. I’ve gotten in way fewer stupid arguments since they did the same with Lemmygrad. IIRC LW didn’t even let hexbear federate in the first place.
I don’t like defederations. I prefer to see everything, every post and comment and then block users/instances on my own if it becomes too much.
Literally a second ago I blocked another tankie, from LW this time. Before I even managed to type this comment fully. But then I don’t shy from making comments that attract them if I disagree with something. So inbox always busy
Sounds like you waste alot of time with people who don't deserve it
Yes but this may be a side effect of turning off the points experiment. Instead of getting dopamine from points I only get replies. So it could be that I subconsciously make my comments in a way that is more likely to attract some kind of response.
My main goal for Lemmy was to break Reddit addiction and I feel gaining likes plays a big part in staying glued to the screen
I would much rather signup to an instance that handles that for me.
As long as the instance is clear about what they defederate from and their reasons, then I’m happy with that. And if I wasn’t, I could choose a different instance.
Isn't your instance federated with hexbear? Seems like it hardly blocks any lemmy instances.
Our instance is federated with hexbear, lemmygrad etc. I want to be resonsible for what I see and block, I'm really not a fan of defederation unless it's a last resort (i.e. CSAM or other illegal content).
I did end up blocking the lemmy.ml instance though, fuck that place. I haven't even blocked hexbear or lemmygrad.
I think ideally a Lemmy client could connect to a number of instances, and you could add the more contentious ones yourself.
Some of these places are literally hosting child porn. You don't want that mirrored to a server that you're responsible for.
Same here. I’ll curate my personal feed but I’ll occasionally scroll everything just to see what random new instance I’ll find, and to keep myself aware of what the current rhetoric is with the various groups.
You're not really using the fediverse until you've been told that you'll get the bullet, too. Sometimes, it's exhausting commenting something pretty uncontroversial and then seeing like eight notifications and realizing it was on Hexbear.
Can you truly say you've had the HB experience if you haven't recieved emoji/sticker/gif spam from people who weren't alive for 9/11, have never been outside their country, and refuse to listen to opposing views, but know with full certainty that all western countries are 100% full of genociders and colonial rapists who all deserve the glorious death the super benign, extremely peaceful and misunderstood countries of *North Korea, China, and Russia* who have never once been correctly accused of human rights violations....
And of course, if they point out that *your* country has dipped into those things in the past, well your entire worldview is shattered and their whataboutism has solved everything and *proves* you deserve the death they crave for you.
I am genuinely sad for HB. There are lgbt ppl there, generally dear to me. Seeing them enjoy such cesspit lured in by cultish atmosphere, supporting the very forces that can only destroy but not build anything. It is personal.
There's actually a *lot* of lgbt people there, based on their last poll:
https://hexbear.net/post/2687582
you should come post in our extremely active weekly trans megathreads, you'll see that a lot of your preconceived notions are simply not true.
https://hexbear.net/post/3203892 or https://lemmy.ml/post/19071341
On the flipside there is the .World experience. Where Julian Assagne is a war criminal. And the destruction of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan was good because it killed a lot of Muslims and liberated those savage hijab wearing women from being alive.
Would you have link to such statements? Seems wild
Wtf are you talking about? Oh, a .ml user. Ok then.
Julian Assange is a bootlicker and Kremlin stooge who sold us out to the American and Russian billionaires. The Mueller Report proved he was explicitly trying to get Treason Trump elected and working with Putin to push disinformation to that end.
I can see why folk don't like hexbear as they come off as leftist 4chan, but you don't need to make things up. They often talk about traveling. I agree with a lot of their content and disagree with some, I've been to 10 countries. In the plane to France, an African told me how their country is still enslaved to France. Personally I don't see the value in the immediate destruction of the west, but with their leaderships ardent support for Nazi Germany, Apartheid, the Climate Crisis and assassination of climate activists, others, and now Zionism, they should lose influence through any means necessary.
make it make sense
Hey, aren't you the one who dropped a diaper load because Hexbear removed your comments justifying supporting candidates who were pro genocide?
https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=27562
Yep, that's me. You could probably find a few more good examples of me stepping in shit on Hexbear, that's hardly the first.
I disagree with those comments, but they seem pretty mild to have been banned. I just don't see how it's productive to ban all liberals the moment they try to explain their views. All that does is push people away who could potentially have been a future ally.
For starters, all liberals have Reddit and Lemmy.world, which are large. Where do leftists have?
Secondly, this comment is indistinguishable from concern-trolling. I'd have to read through your post history or go back and forth with you to know if you were an honest actor or just a troll.
Thirdly, most of us know your views, and have rejected them. Why would we care to hear them? Ask the homeless people in any major city how important discussions of freedom are. So fuck your so-called "productivity." If you were an ally you'd listen and be an ally.
is not tame at all it dehumanizes some of societies most vulnerable. Imagine someone who has been in a psych ward or a homeless person reads this, and keep in mind both can be found posting on hexbear.
Join an instance that’s defederated from them. I haven’t seen their nonsense in months.
You can block instances yourself, I personally don't like when an instance makes that decision for me.
Blocking an instance is just equivalent to blocking all the communities on that instance. You'll still see the blocked instance's posts and comments in other instances and (maybe more importantly) the instance will still influence your feed via voting. So if hexbear collectively upvotes or downvotes some post, that will influence your feed. Defederation is the only way to prevent that kind of influence.
Downvotes are disabled on hexbear just fyi. One of the reason people leave a comment with stuff they disagree with. But upvoting yeah, very active userbase very actively upvoting means a lot of my feed on lemm.ee is from hexbear.
Then block hexbear? Same result.
I mean, I don't know enough about North Korea here but Lenin decriminalized homosexuality in like 1920. Stalin recriminalized it in 1932-33 but for a bit there the Soviet Union was the most LGBT friendly country in the world.
Lemme rest, my palm is all sore
What’s going on with ppl that won’t even do simple google check before commenting something. I for example would be ashamed to peddle some bullshit that is one top search click to disprove or even common sense
So do your googling on this. I'll wait.
I already did. It took me 5 seconds and even before that I facepalmed hard just from grade school knowledge of the “world”
What is the point of this, uh, argument? Since then it’s illegal to be LGBT in Russia, so you’re admitting that Russia sucks now? Agreed!
Russia began to suck hardest when the US succeeded in turning it into a supercharged version of itself. Every bad bit about Russia you don't like? It's where the US is headed, thanks to its own imperialism. "Rainbow Capitalism" is as unsustainable as Rainbow Slavery or Rainbow Fascism.
Lmao, .ml really is on a roll with the whole "we love LGBT rights but hate every country which actually has LGBT rights" cognitive dissonance lately.
That's why I'm glad my instance blocked them.
I cannot facepalm hard enough when I see lgbt people (or anyone) who praise western genocidal military alliances either. What's your point?
Western alliances which are the only places in the world with a robust LGBT rights framework?
"Nooooo you can't just give people rights because it makes you look good!"
I didn't realise committing genocide made people look good, I guess. You know those militaries kill lgbt people too right?
Bro my instance just defederated them. Happy to say I've never seen their shit
It's less that they're big, but old.
Gab also was big, but its role for the fediverse wasn't.
Who or what is/was Gab? 😅
Its like truth social
My guess is that they just needed to have their own community for a lot of stuff because so many instances are defederated from them. Though I am not sure...
Or because it's older than most of the other instances
If I remember correctly, Hexbear was there before the exodus. So that wouldn't make sense.
Hexbear is older than most of the fediverse, and didn't have federation enabled for years. It's a very self-sufficient community.
I guess it's also natural that subcultures that tend to be banned elsewhere are early adaptors of alternative platforms.
We're lucky we didn't exist when the Trump extremists on Reddit went looking for a new home, or they would probably have been one of the biggest fields in this figure. Hopefully when the right wing extremists arrive instance admins will have the good sense to defederate.
That's probably it
like Beehaw
Is there something wrong with beehaw?
Nothing wrong with beehaw as far as I know, but a while ago they defederated lemmy.world because the instance is to big and not moderated enough, or something like that.
No. Just that they’re defederated from lots of big instances so they tend to gave their own communities, which increases their size on chart.
Unlike Hexbear, they chose to be defederated
Ah that makes sense
. It’s just a bunch of losers yelling at each other.
Correction, updated data is actually closer to 2k MAU. They are the 4th most active instance, topped by lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, and Lemmy.world.
Interesting, I expected them to be much larger
Yeah I was surprised too, but if you go by MAU hexbear and Lemmy.Ml combined are just under 3k last I checked.
Lemm.ee alone has about that many, and Lemmy.world has many times that
Not really surprising. 10 out of the 10 most commented posts in the past year are on hexbear (the top 2 being the weekly trans mega threads). Granted, a lot of that is just the hyper-active posting of a few users. Regardless, if you want a trans community, there's basically no active alternative to hexbear's traaa here.
What about blahaj?
I'm subscribed to pretty much all the trans coms I know of and traa is 90% of the trans content that shows up. Another 5% are other hexbear trans subs. Traa has as many comments in half a month as mtf@blajah has had in its entire existance and as many in a week as trans@blahaj has made in total (the two largest non-hexbear trans subs afaik).
This reads like someone telling me that the nazi bar is the only place to go because the nazi bar has people there all the time and the other bars are mostly empty.
Cool. Being trans, not tolerating transphobia, and having emotes is comparable to being nazis?
Also, not suggesting people need to go there because its active. I could go to traa, egg, mtf, agender, enby, etc on reddit, but I don't want to use reddit and a lot of those communities make hexbear look tame in terms of spamminess and immaturity.
Did you know: you know you can just say you didn't read the comment?
It'd be much faster and way easier on everyone else to know to discard your input!
OFL, what is going on with this hexbear? And is there any reason behind the name?
Surprised I dont see programming.dev in the data, we definitely have at least 3 communities in the top 100 (programmer_humor, programming, linux)
Manually counted communities in the top 100 per instance and threw it into another pie chart (for active users / month)
This also seems to be different than the results gotten from lemmyverse as the lemmyverse data hasnt been updated in 11 days according to that site
A bunch of instances gained or lost some coms in the top 100 from variance of things happening in the last week
(the eight instances that it decided to not give labels to that have 1 community are feddit.uk, lemmy.zip, beehaw.org, lemdro.id, ttrpg.network, lemmy.wtf, lemmy.blahaj.zone, mander.xyz)
edit: updated graph to be more accurate users/month counts
What do you mean by "manually counted"? And what did you use to generate the chart? Is that a Google API?
I looked at the community list in programming.dev (from https://programming.dev/communities) sorted by active users per month and noted down the instances for the top 100 communities
its using google sheets
going to recount with lemm.ees community list in a sec since theyre federated with hexbear
I hate that their libraries are so good sometimes :D Mine uses recharts with suboptimal configuration
There’s always LibreOffice…
Eyyyyy midwest.social!
In this list it doesn't seem like it: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month
Seems like lemmyverse doesnt have the instance listed at all for some reason, assuming a crawling issue. I reported it on their repository. Would be new since I remember it showing the instance before
You can check in https://programming.dev/communities that programmer humor has way more active users than most communities here
Oh that is unfortunate
Paging @tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net
I'm here now, thanks for the ping :)
And I've fixed it now :D Sorry for the delay and thx for reporting <3
Their deploy pipeline is broken as well. So I think that is the reason for the old crawl date
It sometimes does that when the crawler hasn't had time to fetch a large proportion of the instances in the last 4 hours. the data should be pretty recent still. I'll check on it now :)
I think it is 12 old by now
Active users is the standard metric used to check how much a service is used (at least as far as i know. its what i see when i look at stuff published for investors).
hexbar is on the sixth place in term of number of active users with 1.8K , lemmy.world is 18K (enable the "active users" column and sort by it to see the full list)
Always nice to see lemmynsfw doing well. Those guys are going to bring a lot of people here
I couldn't imagine being a moderator there, the amount of shit they must see uploaded has to be enormous. This would apply to every media-oriented instance but due to their nature I am guessing it's worse
Oh definitely
It would be the hardest thing to moderate if lemmy blows up though.
Hehehe hardest hehehe
I think it is odd that they have no community in the top 100 anymore when sorted by active users
I think it's good.
last i checked lemmynsfw just looks like r/gonemild though
Do they even have original posters? I thought it was just onlyfans farmers reposting their Reddit content.
There’s a few OC users there
Quality over quantity is what I would prefer. I think LemmyNSFW is a potential determent for other instances.
It's a real mystery, where could these instances possibly be located?
(apologies for derailing, I don't know where else to post this)
"Private" in these fedi-surveys are just a complicated way of saying "behind Cloudflare" without saying behind Cloudflare for some reason.
I love me some Cloudflare MITM for my browsing data and authetication credentials. yum…
Pretty sure lemmy.ca is hosted in Canada
Yeah right, if lemmy.ca is in Canada then aussie.zone and lemmy.eco.br are in Australia and Brazil. Get a load of this guy.
I added it to the main post :) And yeah should have done so in the initial post as well...
Thanks!
And here the diagram by community subscriber count:
Could you please do it based on monthly active users?
Oh that would be interesting as well. I will do that. Checking back in 2h :D
Thanks!
I will add both pictures to the main post as well. Here is the Pie chart for community count:
And here is the pie chart for community users:
Lemmy.world gets A LOT bigger this way XD
Nearly but not exactly :D
I think subscriber count is probably not ideal. I've seen communities where the number subscribers is 10x the number of active monthly users.
For other communities, subscribers is about equal to active users.
Based on Monthly active users, the picture is different: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month
You already see a 4 sh.itjust.works community, a lemmy.ca community, a lemmy.zip community just from the top 30
I might as well leave lemmy.world
I'm only concerned about how to transfer all my stuff to the new account. Mastodon makes it super easy.
You can only export and import followed communities afaik
Mastodon doesn't allow to transfer posts either
https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/#move
Got it.
Idk if you can transfer likes comments and posts, but you can go to your old account from a new one and star everything with the new account pretty easily. So that at least can transfer.
Mastodon doesn't allow to transfer posts either
https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/#move
Probably unintended side-effect of this post: A few people like me discovering new communities to follow. Thank you!
Poor lemm.ee
Nah I’d say this is right on par with the philosophy of the instance. Lemm.ee is moreso infrastructure for interacting with the fediverse than a specific community
Yes, the most active communities (https://lemm.ee/communities) are - !movies@lemm.ee - !interestingasfuck@lemm.ee - !casualconversation@lemm.ee
All started by different people than the admin, who is indeed quite hands back regarding communities
We are small af. I think we are mostly just overflow .world users.
We’re currently the 2nd most active instance measured by MAU, only lead by Lemmy.world
Programming.dev represent! o7
Surprised to see my small instance mentioned here 😅
Your work is recognized!
suprised mander.xyz is so small
!science_memes@mander.xyz is the 9th most monthly active community
https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month
A barchart might be better as the comparison of instances with the most subscribed accounts doesn't mean much I feel
we have some users that register but are inactive and/or are infrequently active which could be a sign of lurkers or bots but empty accounts don't mean much when it comes to the health of an instance.
However; if we look at each community's active monthly and daily users it can tell another story and that data compared against Reddit's could be useful for anyone seeking alternatives
I'm rambling with little sleep but hopefully what I've said make a little bit of sense
I added charts that use the monthy active users
Sorry mate, those figures with no meaningful captions are borderline incomprehensible. Like, what's the difference between first and second figure?
I used 2 different metrics to rank the communities: - at first I sorted the communities by their total subscriber counts. The two diagrams coming from this sort are easily recognizable because hexbear has a big chunk of the communities in them. - the second one ranks them by active users per month. These are the ones where lemmy.world has >50%
For each of the 2 ranking metrics there are 2 different chars: - Labeled "By Community Count": just count the amount of communities out of the 100 biggest that are on a given server - Labeled "By Community Users": sum up the amount of users (active/month or total suscribers) in all of the 100 biggest that are on a given server
You didn't use a black color for us? Heresy!
My deepest apologies milord 🙏 I promise to do better next time * leaves the throne room backwarss while bowing *
You must be confused, we don't have a king, just pirates and anarchists 😁
Sorry milord captain 🙏
"You're fooling yourself, we're living in a dictatorship"
We're anarchists, we don't have a king, we strongly oppose centralized power in the hands of one powerful leader
Does anyone else just see pacman throwing up a rave?
My instance doesn't even make the list. 🥲
But we probably all make it onto some list ^^
hey, I see my instance in there 🤗
Ich bin nicht so glücklich :(
you can find some more data for your instance here too https://lemmyverse.net/instance/feddit.org
:)
2 observations:
Wow I didn't think hexbear was that large. That's unfortunate...
The fact that Lemmyworld is like 40% of the pie is NOT good. People are clearly not understanding or not caring thay the point of the fediverse is to prevent any one instance from having too much power. People need to leave lemmy world and join other smaller instances. If lemmy world were to shut down, imagine how many of the most popular communities would be gone.
The problem is most likely people that are new to the fediverse/lemmy just not understanding it and choosing a "default", popular instance. I was going to pick it as a safe option when I first came here but it was under load and wasn't accepting new users, where I then had to find another instance and settled on feddit.uk.
It would be good if lemmy instances could have the option of "load balancing" new users, so if the current instance has way more active users than it's federated wtih then it disables registration but recommends other, smaller instances to the user.
We just need a way to make it easy to seamlessly transfer both users and communities to another instance then it really won't matter if one gets disproportionately large because a shutdown won't affect anything. Ideally the inner workings should be as invisible to the end user as possible.
Great to have you with us. 👍
♥️ glad to be part of our community!
When you enter "how to join Lemmy" in search engines one of the first results is this Reddit thread, which explicitly suggests people join Lemmyworld.
In fact, when I point people to Lemmy via Reddit, I use that post also because that suggestion actually makes it way more approachable. I think most people, myself included, are intimidated by multiple servers and feel like they're "intruding" into private spaces. The size of Lemmyworld might help people feel like it's more anonymous and a little easier to join as a result, especially since they are being asked to wait for "approval", which is pretty unusual on the modern Net, let's be honest.
.ml and hexbear have been around much longer than the other instances so have built up more subscribers
Lemmy.world has no lock in on their "power". They have the most volunteer labor, money, and infrastructure. That's makes them stable, so people aren't worried about their data suddenly going offline (like kbin) and they don't worry about the service being flaky.
The same can be said about gmail and it is the same kind of problem here. Yes lemmy.world is not a profit orient it giant, but it is still a problem when one actor has this power over a federated network. (the scale of the problem is of course a lot larger with gmail)
Technical issues with Lemmy are, I think, still driving people to larger instances.
The big one is that if I make a community on a smaller instance, and gain ANY amount of volume and traction (which is not all that easy to do in the first place) and that server vanishes, shit's just... dead. It's gone and not coming back, because you can't move a community from a dead server to a live server.
Which means using one of the big, established, funded, stable, working instances is the only rational choice, but that also means I'll probably just make an account and post exclusively from there, and thus you end up in this cycle of everyone just going to one of the larger instances in preference to any of the smaller ones.
Everyone goes on and on and on about account portability being very important (which, I suppose it is: I don't think we need account portability but rather distributed identity independent of the specific platform you're using, but that's a whole different technical mess) but for something like Lemmy, being assured that the community you're working on will survive servers vanishing and a means to "take ownership" in a way that lets you port it to another home if and when your instance dies - because, for the most part, it's going to at some point - is far far more needed.
The size difference between Lemmy.world and lemm.ee could still be improved
It's that, plus the next largest instance being practically unusable due to hyper aggressive tankie censorship. Getting banned from .ml for not sucking Stalin's boot hard enough is practically a rite of passage at this point.
Is it good or bad that I had to think if you meant hexbear or lemmy.ml, and even after doing so I'm still not sure?
I agree in principle that .world containing most of the fediverse’s activity kinda isn’t great for the idea of the democratic nature of the fediverse. However, the point of the ‘verse is that anyone can spool up an instance if they dislike it, or start more communities on existing instances. If .world were to disappear it would suck, but that’s part of the problem with any instance in an informal community. Any of them can disappear.
How many instances federate by default? It may be difficult to get your new solo instance into the others.
That's just how federation works out in every federated service ever.
While spreading out is good, this isn't something like cryptocurrency where it's specifically bad if you have over 50% share. Each instance is the source of truth for their users and communities hosted there. It's not like a block chain where something with over half can suddenly define their own truth for everyone. So it's not necessarily a massive cause for alarm.
I started on a small instance that fortunately gave a heads up when they decided to shut down. When I moved to a second, small instance where I ported all my community subscriptions, it shut down with no warning. It's a shame, because both instances were topically-focused and small enough to avoid defederation drama.
I love the idea of decentralized infrastructure, but now I'm on .world because I just don't have the time or willpower to move every few months, and I definitely don't have the wherewithal to run my own instance.
Try searching for a local community, especially if English is not your first language.
Definitely
There's a bit of choice paralasys when joining Lemmy. Even if you know how the fediverse works you won't have knowledge of the culture and relationships of different instances.
I joined Lemmy.world because it advertises itself as the vanilla flavour of the fediverse, so it makes it an easy pick for someone like me who didn't quite understand how it all hangs together.
But I do agree with you, and I'm looking to migrate .
Edit: confused the owner of lemmy.world and lemmy.ml.
The choice paralysis is real. I chose lemm.ee because it was easy to type into the address bar, and I've stuck around because the admin seems pretty level-headed.
I agree on the choice paralysis. I ended up with Feddit.it because my native language is Italian and that's the biggest instance in my language.
Haven't heard anything so far, what are they?
Thanks for asking, made me go look again. I had mixed up Lemmy.world owner Ruud and the creator of Lemmy itself and admin of lemmy.ml. Ruud seems chill, lemmy.ml less so.
Thank you for editing your original comment to reflect that 😎
Lemm.ee should fit your bill
I mean the first problem went away when I sorted the communities by active users, though the second one got way worse with it XD
As someone out of the loop, why is hexbear bad? Alternatively, what is hexbear about?
Please disregard, after reading further in the comments I get the gist. I guess as I use LemmyWorld I don’t have to deal with them.
see: https://startrek.website/comment/11417825
They openly state that their primarily goals in federation is to be obnoxious trolls, and boy howdy do they put a lot of energy into it. They are first and foremost, just obnoxious. It's like 20% teenagers going through their edgy anti establishment phase, and then the rest are right wing, Russian, and Chinese trolls playing soggy waffle with each other. They pretend to be super serious about LGBT issues but then simp for Hamas, Iran and Russia. And one of their tankie leaders just got caught calling trans issues "western pink washing."
It's just a mess. It's probably a bit overblown, but the community is legitimately annoying if nothing else.
Your whole post is made up, but this is at least a specific claim that also didn't happen. Pics or you're talking shit.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/23147589
They're an explicitly leftist comm, a lot of people take offense to being called out on right-wing assertions, and the .world'ers whip up myths without having ever seen or federated with Hexbear themselves.
That's all really - Take a glance at the site if you want to know what it's about, rather than take people at their word on it.
that's the main reason I moved away from lemmy.world
Somebody did dirty for shitjustworks instance and that colour
I'm just happy that Lemmy.ca made the list.
Did you graph these with a JS library? I'd love to improve the community stats page with some more cool graphs like these.
I had a crack at it on these pages, but didn't dive into specific community info
https://lemmyverse.net/inspect
https://lemmyverse.net/inspect/versions
I used recharts Though one rendered it with google charts and that did look a lot nicer, but if one fine tunes it, then it will probably look equally good
If you're willing to post your code somewhere or send it to me somehow, I might have to find some time to integrate it on lemmyverse - also welcome to submit a PR if you have the inclination https://github.com/tgxn/lemmy-explorer
Ohh, you're the author?? I remember stumbling into these a while back. Those are neat! Great job.
Yes it is me, the author 🤗
I have not had much time lately to work on it, one day I'd love to integrate some more cool graphics and visualizations for the network.
*instances
Duplicate instances are a problem imho. You can see the network effect synergy working by how many communities flock to the biggest instance lemmy.world.
There also need to be tools to merge two communities on separate instances, or move them.
Two of my niche instances tried to leave reddit, but then there were two versions, one on .ml and one on .world. Confusing. Maybe there need to be reviews for communities or instances.
I wouldn't mind so much if there were a way to see duplicate posts across instances. I guess it'd be hard to implement but as it stands unless it's specifically a crosspost you can't find other discussions of the same media
Oh yeah absolutely, lemmy definitely needs better cross posting. Currently crossposts are kinda yanky with quote blocks. I'd also love to see reposts that are detected automatically.
Reposts are based on the URL linked in the post. If it's the same URL, both posts will display as crossposts.
!fedigrow@lemm.ee is a community dedicated to this.
The issue is not the tools, more the people. I contacted mods of !android@lemmy.world and !askandroid@lemdro.id a while ago to see if they wanted to merge, both sides wanted to stay on their own communities.
There are plenty of other examples, usually a large LW community, but with a more active non-LW alternative. LW wants to keep their community open, and the non-LW doesn't have much power besides showing they are more active.
Piefed has topics, so different fediverse communities can be viewed through the Fediverse-topic for example
Wouldn't comment or user count be a slightly better metric? Oh oh, do all 3 side by side please!
EDIT: Woah this page looks totally different on desktop than mobile.
Lemmy.zip mentioned 🥳🥳🥳
we exist!!
anyone have any guesses as to why lemmy.world is so big? Scale/size advantage? Reliability advantage? Name recognition? What do we think is the culprit here.
And whilst i'm here, anybody want to explain the source of lemmy.ml to me? I only know it as the instance where mad people yell at me from lol.
perhaps a more "ambiguous" federation system would be better. having community instances is nice and all, but having one literally just be lemmy.world seems a little bit antithetical to me.
I heard what lemmy is. I googled Lemmy. I downloaded an app. I pressed sign up. I ended up on Lemmy.world.
I'll be honest I don't even really understand what different instances do.
They can be oriented to some type of content: For example, the many feddit.something are targetting people by countries or langages (.it, .uk, etc.). slrpnk.net is solarpunk oriented, mander.xyz science oriented. Litterature.cafe is books, reading and writing oriented.
And they can offer different moderation policies: People on lemmynsfw.com probably want to see NSFW content. lemmy.world has a policy against it. lemmy.dbzer0.com allow for open discussion about piracy that many instances forbid and so on.
It you don't see the difference in instances, it is probably that you are about fine on your local instance. But if one day, you hear about a community you can't access, maybe that is because it is blocked by lemmy.word and you could access it from another instance
If the dbzer0 instance allows piracy talk but I'm signed up to an instance that doesn't allow it, can I talk in their community or do I risk being banned from mine?
In other words, are my comments stored on *their* instance or on *mine*?
Lemmy stores your posts and replies on both your host server and on the server of the community.
One interesting behavior to note here that is different from reddit is that while comments on reddit belong to the profile of the person commenting and is then imported to view in the subreddit (this is why you can edit comments after being banned, and why there visible in your profile even if removed from a subreddit), on lemmy the target community is instead authoritative and your host server will by default respect a deletion by community mods on different servers by also removing that comment from your profile.
Very interesting indeed. Thank you for letting us know.
You can talk on their instance. If the moderator of your instance dis not wanted you to interact with this other instance they would have block it.
That I'm not sure. But I think there is a copy of the content you accessed on your instance. Maybe someone administrating an instance could answer you better than I did.
Your comments are stored on *both*. The "canonical" version would be on your home instance but every instance that is federated with your instance would get a copy of your comments. I think it's even possible to have your content removed from one instance but not another. One of my posts shows as removed in the mod log but isn't actually removed.
So by default your instance respect mod removals.
You can change that as a server admin, so comments would remain visible to other users on your instance.
I think your instance is authoritative for content of comments, but the community hosting instance is authoritative for which comments are approved (other instances respect such removals by default)
That's weird. @Natanael@slrpnk.net says the opposite is it a question of version?
I signed up at feddit.nl and I am not even from Netherlands.
Which feels a bit as a sleepy instance, but maybe I'm not in the right communities.
If you find yourself well were you are, then you are in the right place (\^_\^)
So which instance an *account* is from matters regarding which *communities* you can join? Huh.
Only insofar as some instances block communication from some other instances. Not mine though, that's actually one of the reasons I picked it. That and it being by an org that's older than the web and runs a public unix server and a bunch of retrocomputing type services as well as fediverse stuff. They started out as a dialup anime BBS.
Yes but not so much. The fediverse is a big place and everyone can open a community in the same topic in a instance that is not block. Look how many zero waste there is !zerowaste@lemmy.ml !zerowaste@slrpnk.net !zerowaste@lemm.ee !zerowaste@lemmy.world !zero_dechet@jlai.lu. And they may be more on instances I don't know.
For what I have witness instances blocked each other over divergence on political activism. If you don't plan to go discuss with people who really want to convince you to become communiste, you should be fine.
Go on [your.instance]/instances for the list of block instances.
Yeah I actually tried beehaw initially but they never dealt with my application, so after a whole I just went with Lemmy.world.
an instance can be thought of like a reigonal server for a game, but for a community interest instead. dbzer0 is more on the fringes partaking more actively in piracy and AI shit, as well as other shit like anarchy and personal liberty/freedoms at a more broad scale.
Sometimes they're regionally specific, like the midwest instance, other times they're global like the .world instance.
you do have instance specific communities, and users obviously, but it's also open to the broader "fediverse" as well. The only technicality is that i'm tied to dbzer0 since that's where my acc sits, though i can still poke around outside of it.
About lemmy.world - when running from reddit, it was literally first on the list of advised ones everywhere. Also, biggest, so it had most communities. I am actually pretty much only aware of .world, .dbzer0 and sh.itjust.works. From the normal ones anyway.
lemmy.ml is basically an instance made by creators of lemmy from what I know.
I bounced between a few instances and .world seemed to always be up and available. Not to mention all the communities on .world.
I don't have an allegiance. Open more communities in other instances or migrate the .world ones there.
I just want to post.
yeah, personally i'm a user of dbzer0 because i prefer the more back alley stuff (it also bans porn so that shit doesnt show up in my feed)
It's up most of the time, there are a few instances where it's slow or doesn't want to load, but that's usually resolved quickly enough, just internet instability i think, reddit has the same issues for me.
I see all the .world shit anyway, so it makes little difference to me at the end of the day lol.
Lemmy.world has kept open signups open during every large Reddit exodus while many others didn't. It's also decently reliable, has decent moderation and is well known. The reason why people didn't move after is probably because instance migration on Lemmy isn't possible* so they just stick with what they use.
*Yes I don't consider exporting/importing followed communities a migration
Open signups is the biggest reason. Pretty much every other instance wanted you to jump through hoops to sign up with them.
I don't think I needed to for https://programming.dev.
I'm pretty sure they put up some hurdles during the Reddit APIcalypse. I think that's in part how I ended up on sh.itjust.works.
If I am not mistaken, ML was made by a couple of Fediverse Developers, but their moderation policies are comparable to Elon Musk so nobody goes there.
World has good branding, will moderate, and has some of the best uptime stats.
I believe .ml was the first lemmy instance - the one made by the developers.
yeah that would explain ML
During the Reddit API exodus I saw it in lots of comments. That's how I ended up here.
yeah that makes sense, i never went there because i didn't want to move to a community specific instance only to join a globally federated instance anyway lol.
When I first got on Lemmy I signed up for a small instance my friend was on. Mostly ended up lurking. Before ditching that account, because I forgot the password, and was looking to go to a different instance anyway, I looked up what instances had the most federations. world had a lot, and no hexbear. It also has a old style interface, and blocks NSFW content, so I can more safely browse in public/at work. So I switched to it with my main and then separately logged into places with open NSFW content.
No gatekeeping. We did not have to answer any question, write any essay showing we were worthy etc.
Reddit refugees were welcome no question asked.
Once were in, we found the admin/founder to be cool, open and reasonable.
We stayed.
checks out i suppose, dbzer0 does have a pretty minor registration check, but it's not super overwhelming, and it aligns with my interests so meh.
I remember I picked Lemmy.world to create an account only because I had no idea what I was doing and it seemed like the only one which had merit at the time (I know how things work better now.) Now that I know how decentralization works I'll probably open a new account on another server when I get time.
In my case, I went to the biggest one after leaving beehaw.
I left beehaw because it was clear there was a double standard for one admin between minorities and the rest of us where an admin overlooked someone from a minority acting like a total ass and starting a fight.. and blamed me simply because my opinion half agreed with an article that was posted.
Which was such a pity because they other admin there is awesome (and I loved the idea of the instance), but I'm worried it will become a echo chamber eventually unfortunately where you simply can't discuss things, but only agree with people
yeah this is definitely a big concern with smaller instances, there are a couple of tricks to this general problem from what i've thought/seen of over time.
The obvious one is a democratic vote, literally just ask people in the instance, the second obvious one is to vet people in that instance specifically and personally. And if they cause problems just yeet em. You're the dictator after all. The most common option is to have a decentralized moderation team made up from the general community, which is extremely common and generally works, though suffers from the opposite problem, ironically.
I think if i had to moderate a lemmy instance i'd probably do a mix of heavier vetting (although most of it would likely be after they initially joined, a vibe check i suppose. As well as just being a literal direct dictator, depending on the size i might have "chaos control" mods, just to keep goofy shit from happening while i'm away, or to provide some support, who knows. And naturally, i'd focus on community votes, i'd be curious what the community instance itself had to say.
I was a reddit Sync user and was super bummed when (large scale) API access was shut off, so I jumped on the chance to use Sync for Lemmy. It defaulted to world for signups, presumably for ease of use for migrating reddit users. Knowing that Sync already had a loyal audience that was willing to put in a little effort to migrate, it seems the dev opted to make everything as similar to the reddit UX as possible, including registration.
Now that I'm more familiar with the fediverse, I've been considering migrating to a more specialized instance that matches my interests. Truthfully, though, it seems unlikely that much of anything would change if I did since I'm going to keep using the same app, so I've been slow to move.
To compare this with my experience with Mastodon, I was absolutely overwhelmed by the idea of instances and really had no idea which to join, nor did I have a familiar app to work with. I figured it out eventually, but a lot of the artists I follow didn't or didn't have time to, so overall I haven't spent much time on it. I've spent *way* too much time on Lemmy so far.
yeah that makes sense, i think the problem with migrating normie users is that there isn't quote the comprehensive explanation of things needed. A more thorough and complete overview would be required i think.
Defederating from Hexbear probably didn't hurt. I remember when the users were literally flooding my inbox circlejerking about being the biggest and best instance and that any instance that defederated from them was full of transphobic Nazis.
Edit: I have a shit memory. I don't remember what instance it was, but the circlejerking and the defederation slander definitely happened.
https://lemmy.world/post/2498330
ok
Are you from another dimension as everyone else where this happened? Because they never federated in the dimension I live in. Very interesting you're able to cross this gap, does the name Nelson Mandella mean anything to you?
Yeah, it must have been on a different instance. I have a terrible memory for places, which probably bleeds over. I distinctly remember the circlejerking and getting lots of messages about how people who don't like Hexbear are transphobic, though.
.world pre-emptively defederated from hexbear before hexbear ever entered federation. you are making things up wholecloth.
dbzer0 had a few issues with hexbear and i believe we defederated from hexbear? I honestly cant remember, i blocked that instance a while ago.
It was probably every instance, ML included.
It may have been after someone proposed defederating from them, but I'm pretty sure it didn't happen because I've seen users around recently. I have the instance filtered, but I still need to block the users, same with ML.
at the very least there was discussion around it, like i said i ended up blocking that instance at some point.
awww, my instance is not even on the chart. Big sad 😿
you're doing your part in keeping the federation healthy and decentralized o7
Me too.
everyone goes to the most popular one because they think that's the one with all the things on it that's how the internet works that's what everyone's doing
Everyone goes to Lemmy.world because unlike most instances it has (effectively) open registration and some popular Lemmy apps use it in their signup flow so new users don't have to understand the intricacies of the fediverse they can just hop straight in.
And this is making a lemmy.world monopoly, which is bad for the fediverse (still better, than reddit).
I think it would definitely be nice to spread users (and communities) across more instances. Doubly so since I'm on an instance that is struggling with the volume of content from Lemmy.world because of what is effectively a limit of how much you can get from one instance at a time.
But if we want people on Lemmy who don't know what Linux is, then we need to avoid that massive barrier of asking users to pick an instance. And the second massive barrier of registration applications.
A good compromise I think would be to have multiple trusted servers with open registrations that the app randomly defaults them to when they go to sign up for an account.
Are you okay lately? I had a look the other day, seems almost fixed:
https://grafana.lem.rocks/d/bdid38k9p0t1cf/federation-health-single-instance-overview?orgId=1&var-instance=lemmy.world&var-remote_instance=lemmy.nz
Aussie.zone on the other is almost a week behind: https://grafana.lem.rocks/d/bdid38k9p0t1cf/federation-health-single-instance-overview?orgId=1&var-instance=lemmy.world&var-remote_instance=aussie.zone
We are fine, but it's not fixed. I have a second VPS running in Finland, using this queue batcher. The Lemmy.world team kindly set up their server to point to this VPS instead of the actual Lemmy.nz server, then the VPS collects all the events and sends them to the Lemmy.nz server in batches of 100.
It keeps us up to date, but it's cheating 😆
Last I heard Aussie.zone doesn't have this setup, but they do have a prefetcher (or rather, Nothing4You, who made the queue batcher, is running a prefetcher for them). This basically takes the new comments and posts from Lemmy.world, and sends a request to Aussie.zone to fetch that post. Because this happens outside the normal federation queue it can be done in parallel. It means when Aussie.zone receives the federated activity from Lemmy.world, it already has it, so it can reply quicker and process more events per second. Lemmy clears out activities older than a week in a weekly scheduled job, which is why you will see Aussie.zone's backlog drop a bit once a week. They won't get that content from Lemmy.world, it's just lost. Because of the prefetcher, it's likely just up/down votes (which can't be prefetched).
You mean like the mastodon app does? https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/05/a-new-onboarding-experience-on-mastodon/
Doesn't that say they default new users to a server owned by them? That's the same kind of thing as defaulting to Lemmy.world for Lemmy apps.
What I mean is a larger list of trusted instances. Including ones outside the control of one organisation, though I get that this is risky for Mastodon because they don't want to default people to somewhere that's going to shut down or have some drama and ruin a hard earned brand.
We probably have more leeway to do it in Lemmy apps since (with the exception of Jerboa) they aren't developed by "Lemmy", and Lemmy.world is also not run by "Lemmy". But for this same reason, " Lemmy" has no control over what these apps default to.
How so? Those things do not have anything to do with each other. The concept of Lemmy instances can literally be explained in less than a minute.
When a user (say, my mother) gets to a page that says pick a server, she would immediately close the page and go do something else. How do you even begin to choose a server? What if you get it wrong? What should you consider when picking a server?
Its a simple concept that can be explained in a minute. But if you don't have someone sitting next to you that understands it and can explain it, that user is gone.
Registration applications are an unrelated barrier but a barrier none the less. You don't have to apply to Facebook and wait to be approved. People expect to just be able to sign up and immediately go.
For anyone familiar with the fediverse both of these things seem like non-issues. But for your average Facebook user. Hell, even your average reddit user, they will take one look at either a page telling them to pick a server or a page telling them they have to apply and wait, and unless they are familiar with the Fediverse already then they will back away slowly (or quickly).
When my instance turned on registration applications, there was a 10x drop in the number of registrations, and I've heard similar numbers from others.
Isn't this a bit ironic coming from someone on a LW account? Genuinely asking 😄
I made the account here, when it wasn't as popular and I'm way too lazy to migrate.
The registration page does not look different really to the lemmy.nz one, same for lemm.ee, sopuli.xyz, sh.itjust.works has even one less tiny hurdle to jump to register. Didn't bother to check others. Or i am missing something here?
I explained in another comment to someone else, but to recap Lemmy.world has lemmy's registration applications feature turned on, but behind the scenes they run a bot to approve everyone who types the requested thing in the box. You sign up, type the thing in the box, and you get immediate access.
Compare this sign up process to the instance that the Lemmy devs run on Lemmy.ml.
Now to be clear, I'm not saying it's unjustified. Trolls and spammers are a problem on Lemmy and we need more tools to help. Most instances require registration applications and I think that's necessary for anyone without a team of admins across the world.
But that doesn't change that it's a big barrier to entry. Facebook has thousands of people able to respond to reports in a short period of time. Decentralised non-commercial Lemmy instances can never meet this, so we have a problem that needs a solution.
never heard any of these wizard terms sorry
I have no clue what you're on about.
Yay centralization!
I'm curious what this looks like for Mastodon. Of the top X accounts listed by followers, what proportion are on instances run by the Mastodon organisation?
I did that a while ago: https://wehavecookies.social/@BentiGorlich/111839058984677014
Oh nice! I also saw the other one showing almost half of the followers of those accounts are on mastodon.social.
I guess Lemmy finds it a little harder to get communities set up away from the big instances because to get a community off the ground you need eyeballs, and the biggest instances have the most eyeballs in the All feed.
As a user, I really rally don't want to start "instanse hoping" for lemmy. I just want to sign in and that's it. Fediverse decentralized nature is also it's drawback
I went with it because I figured it had same peering defaults.
It does, which is really nice.
That contrast makes it impossible to read some labels
Very interesting, although I'd like to see how different threadiverse software like mbin fits into this.
It uses the lemmy API, so it is plattform specific. AP has no metric for active users in the magazine yet, only instance wide. So for mbin only total subscriber count would be a metric
Jesus Christ, that's a lot of weirdos.
hi from thelemmy.club :D
Hello!
Ayy, lemmy.zip
Ayyyyy
It's very funny that despite most of you hating hexbear so much, they are still one of the biggest.
"Truth social" has more monthly active users than all Lemmy instances combined, does it make it better?
goo goo ga ga
Turns out Blue MAGA can't suppress the left. Sad face.
Is there a way to create a pie like this but on an individual basis?
You mean the spread of the communities you are subscribed to? If so: probably yes, but not an easy one as you have to have access to the data (or more easily: the database)
awful.systems is up there?
have to say i'm surprised. and a little disgusted.
How are they awful? I've had one bad and cringy interaction with them but nothing too out of the ordinary
i was more referring to the fact that as a snark community they don't necessarily represent the best of us
OP, you know you don't have you use a table, right? You can make a bulleted list.
But I like my tables 🥺
In a world of mobiles being more ubiquitous than monitors, consider inverting your rows and columns next time. Scrolling down is more expected than scrolling sideways.
Updated the post :)
Thank you. ❤️
will do 👍
Please avoid any and all situations in which you might have the chance of handling any kind of categorized data, for the sake of all of us.
It's worth mentioning that when I first made this comment the tables were wider than they were tall. Essentially the axes were flipped. The columns were literally one character wide to fit everything on the screen lol. If the post looked like it did not when I made the comment then I wouldn't have said it.
If i'm understanding the last graph right, it's showing the total number of active monthly users per instance's top communities, filtered by the overall top 100 communities?
So if an instance has activity spread out over many niche communities, that activity isn't represented on this graph?
I would think having a diversity of smaller communities is more in-line with the spirit of the fediverse, I'm not sure of the value in slicing the data in this way.
This highlights the problems with the Fediverse pretty well. Even decentralized systems tend towards centralization.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with a little centralization in your federation. It works well enough for email. The point is that you *have the option*, not that you have to use it.
You don't have to trade one extreme for the other. In fact, I think this is the perfect example of that. Lemmy.ml is the developers' instance, and by default would likely be the largest. Except... you know. Many, many people started there before going to other instances, especially the largest competitor.
The issue is that the kid that owns the ball sets the rules. LW could do something heinous, and the only choices would be to cope or lose half the Fediverse.
The thing is that the value is in the communities and not in the old content. So most likely the mods would just post we move to a new instance and a lot of users would follow. We just saw that on the German speakin lemmy instance feddit.de, which was abandoned and now most of the users and communities moved to feddit.org, which is already one of the larger ones.
What lemmy really needs is the ability to easily move accounts and communities. Mastodon has that for users already.
The lack of migration is what kept me on ml for several days after I found out what they consider ml stands for.
One click migration to a different instance would be a huge benefit to the decentralisation effort.
It's Mali, right? Right? Not some reference to communism?
The problem with this is trust. If you could seamlessly migrate like this, there's nothing to stop someone faking a long post/comment on their own instance, making them look very legitimate and then migrating that account to a trusted/legitimate instance.
Then using that for spam/selling block chain etc.
People are the reason we can't have nice things.
Isn't that much easier nowadays with the one click settings export-import?
Mastodon still doesn't allow to move posts and comments
https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/
You mean like if they went all tankie? Or like AOL email? This has already happened several times before and it's fine. Google could kill gmail in six months and we'd all move on.
I've run into issues where information I want access to just doesn't exist anymore because of the Reddit fiasco. The people that did that were a small minority of Reddit, and Reddit as a whole was basically unaffected by the protest after it was quashed.
Imagine the type of chaos it would cause if it came out that the LW admins were getting a corporate kickback to destabilize the Fediverse, or that they were involved in some other equally shady enterprise. It would probably be the end of the Fediverse, either through the created schisms or the lack of will to stop the corporate meddling. It would at least cause massive instability and make us look bad to users who would otherwise think of joining. A lot of information would probably be lost as people tried to push back. I'm sure a lot of people just wouldn't have the willpower to move their communities elsewhere and there would be a significant number of people supporting the admins' actions through apathetic inaction.
I agree that LW centralization isn't good, but I'm not sure such event would be the end of the Fediverse, or Lemmy.
People would just massively move to other instances. LW communities usually have a non-LW non-lemm.ml alternative (such as !movies@lemm.ee for !movies@lemmy.world ), so that should be doable. A bit painful, but manageable.
One amusing bit re: hexbear, it's been around almost as long as lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, but it seems was only added to the tracker last year, as it shows up as 12 months old, I have to imagine it's including posts/comments from before that timeframe because bozhe moi:
Even if you divide the hexbear comments by 4 they'd still be in the top 2 excluding the reddit repost bot. Yappers.
It's hard to beat an operation with state funding.
I was briefly a Hexbear member pre-federation, and while I don't have any proof, I left because that was exactly the vibe I got from the place.
"I have a girlfriend but she lives in Canada and doesn't have any socials"
If she wants you to go to a website to invest in Bitcoin, its a trap!
Ah, the old Lemmy Switcheroo.
The what now?
Hexbear contains a funded propoganda network filled with bots. All the other content on there is mostly just to lure people in.
Right because this corner of the internet is so important and well-visited we gotta spend our state funds on a propaganda network, planting the seeds years in advance of it being able to germinate and fill it to the brim with emojis. Do you even know what a good bot costs nowadays? Vladimir Putin would have our heads.
You don't need to make an inferno to spread fire. You just need sparks.
But, who's the alleged state sponsor? Don't tell me it's Russia, that wouldn't make any sense.
Lmfao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSts2s4ba4
💜Purple slices rise up!💜
Damn, my hexbear filter is getting a real workout!
The title says "the 100 biggest Lemmy communities"
I guess the 2 communities are !ich_iel@feddit.org and !europe@feddit.org
Aww. I confused “communities” for “instances” when I read the title. Thanks for pointing it out.
You are welcome!
Where is lemmygrad? I would have expected them to make it on the list
Their communities aren't that active https://lemmygrad.ml/communities
same tbh
Is that table going under the sidebar and off the page for anyone else or just me? (on web)
On mobile I was able to scroll it horizontally.
On Thunder, everything (just) fits horizontally:
I might have preferred to scroll horizontally a bit.
Yeah, I love Thunder but, uh, it's a work in progress.
You're welcome.
I thought they were blocked everywhere. What's going on? Bunch of bots or something?
Anti Commercial-AI license
No, it’s just a big community by itself already. So while some big instances have it blocked, they have enough users to just have activity from their own instance.
It isn’t big though. They just get kicked out of everywhere else they go for being disruptive assholes, so for every community there’s a hexbear duplicate
Hexbear was there before the reddit exodus, so this make no sense.
Please verify your claims before saying nonsense.
Because they - specifically Chapo trap house-got all of their communities banned from Reddit years before.
You are not making the argument you think you are
When you say "It isn't big", you're comparing it to reddit? That would basically dwarf all Lemmy instances combined lmao.
This post was comparing Lemmy instances with other Lemmy instances. Hexbear was its own website for a while, and only decided to start trying federation like a few months after the whole reddit thing. They're fine on their own even, so I don't know why people keep acting as if they necessarily want to be federated.
Duplicate with half the posts and a third of comments.
Games is the largest games com by far in terms of posts and comments (150k comments and 15k post vs 71k comments and 3k posts on lemmy world..
News has most posts than any other news and about as many comments as lemmyworld.
Politics has the most posts of any politics coms, but far less comments than lemmyworld's.
History basically has no competitors (150k comments vs 7k for the next largest)
Movies also has no competitors (75k comments vs 9k for the next largest).
Videos has 56k comments vs lemmyworld's 13k
Music has 45k comments vs lemmyworld's 6k
Urbanism has 44k comments vs fuckcar's 19k
Granted, given Hexbear has been around for 4 years, the number of comments/posts is largely a side effect of age. But it also means calling them duplicates is probably misleading. OTOH, the main trans community there has been very active recently, dwarfing all other trans communities combined.
They are more "community" than the ex-redditor secluded island that is most of the others instances, that's definitely the side effect of age.
All of which are super politically charged
Depends, the /c/games@hexbear.net is politically charged as expect at any game community, what I found more interesting is the hatred for gamers(this one is deserved).
lol, what disruption did they do when LW "pre-emptively defederated" them "as a last resort"? Or did they just get banned for being leftists?