FOSSDLE PieFedSo I get banned from lemmy.ml What now?
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Yesterday, I created my account on Lemmy.ml because I want to become mod on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml. And I posted this comic on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml It's SDV game cutscene where Shane a NPC go watch Sports game with you kiss you accidentily but It was part of that event also player kiss Shane(NPC) back. Here's video for more context. And someone claimed it have SA(Sexual Assualt) From Hexbear Ofcourse. So, I should delete it. I said it was a part of game cutscene. And If main player doesn't love the Shane(NPC) then they don't need to complete this event. And Just as a sarcasm I added Yeah we shoule delete this entire community because this game is Woke like Woke Detector Steam Group said. That user think I am some anti-woke dickhead something like that IDK. And tell me to Kill My Self. What I do now? I wanted on become mod on .ml because community was already well established. I message dessaline but I am sure he will not unbanned me. :(
Did I really did something wrong? I don't know If I really did something wrong.
Link for that comic if embed doesn't work.
Created one one lemm.ee !stardewvalley@lemm.ee
Make your own community on an instance that's not full of assholes
Done !stardewvalley@lemm.ee
Nice, did you subscribe to it from the largest instances so that it's more visible? If not I can help with that.
Yes, Please I have only 3 account ( lemm.ee, ani.social and lemy.lol).
On it, I think I covered most of them
Thanks.
Welcome!
Welcome!
How do you make a community?
You can make community on official Lemmy UI. Go to lemmy.world and click create a community in top right corner.
Why is lemmy.ml full of assholes? Wasn't that one of the original lemmy instances? Genuinely asking
It's *the* original instance, run by the main Lemmy creators.
https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
As far as I know it was started by the original lemmy developers which made the software because they felt persecuted for their beliefs on normie social media. Lemmy just happened to be around when the reddit CEO decided to f up reddit so everyone started using it despite the creators not being well adjusted people.
Edit: just so I'm not misinforming here's what they said themselves about the origin https://lemmy.ml/post/70319
I don't get how extremist leftist content ends up attracting people who are against woke stuff in stardew really but over time I've gotten the vibe the ml and hexbear people are in general more combative and angry about things.
And they wanted to become the persecutors themselves instead, forcing everyone into their rigid ideology to a worse degree than even said normie social media seeking to make everything advertiser friendly.
Oh.
They're libertarians aren't they.
They are actually tankies
...huh. I didn't see that coming.
Honestly better left wing than right wing I think, even if they're stance on the wing is... questionable, to say the least. Though I say that with the benefit of hindsight.
I'm not proud of it, but long ago I myself fell into some of those spaces actually. And not to get into all of it now but I can absolutely see what leads one to have those perspectives, and I also think to some extent I am uniquely qualified to challenge those perspectives becaus, and ofc this doesn't go for everyone, but for many I've associated with the hardline posturing comes more from a defensive paranoia perspective than any will to opress or subjugate anyone. That was certainly always true for me, I'm trans ffs, I never wanted to opress anyone. But the opinion you'll run into at the heart of the authoritative left wing is that control is necessary to secure freedoms and prevent the new society from collapsing from outside influence. If you can challenge that core assumption (and also misinfo about Soviet Union etc. but that's a whole other topic), you can actually make meaningful dialouge.
But by far the thing that kept me in those communities for the longest time was the sense that anyone on the outside would not accept us for our beliefs and could not be trusted, and when all my friends and social connections were in those spaces it was in my interest not to deviate from the line, leading to a kind of spiraling of radical opinions in an echochamber. The thing that brought me out of it was an anarchist extending her hand and us just getting along well on a fundamental level, and not judging me for the beliefs that I'd fallen into or calling me stupid or anything else but just challenging them on an intellectual basis and having evidence to back up her arguments.
I suppose the best takeaway from all of this is that if any time you push someone away, you simultaneously push them closer towards the group that is influencing them. And I get it, sometimes it really isn't worth the energy to deradicalize people, especially those who are truly fargone. But I think it'd be a mistake to ostracize everyone from the outset.
Sorry for the long response, I got a lot more vulnerable here than I was really planning on 😅
Thanks for listening to my ted talk lmaoo
No that is dbzero
It was created by the Lemmy developers and is one of the original Lemmy instances. And while Lemmy itself is fantastic, unfortunately the developers are not. They are tankies, extreme authoritarian communists.
Other than their other instances lemmygrad and Hexbear, lemmy.ml tries to look more moderate and has many active and great communities. But if you post things they dislike, you might run into similar troubles like OP.
Lemmy was created by and for assholes, but a few other people have found it too.
It's because if you aren't participating in the groupthink delusions you will be banned by extremely fragile mods. So people who aren't assholes tend to leave.
It was, but it has communists on it, which is annoying to most large instance owners. So much that they don't even federate with it.
*tankies and I think you're thinking of Hexbear, most instances these days do federate with Lemmy.ml, unfortunately.
Doesn't seem to me like you did anything serious enough to be banned from a whole platform, but moderators and administrators are individuals and some of them can't be objective when something presses their person hot buttons. If a right-wing Christian claimed abortion was Sexual Assault, that obviously would not automatically make abortion an off-limits topic, but I can imagine a moderator thinking differently. I agree with your response that nobody was being forced into anything, but using loaded words like "woke" is a good way to get yourself labeled by someone who thinks in memes.
What an effective way to put it.
Your community doesn't need to be isolated to a single instance. Your home instance, lemm.ee, can be used as one.
*your
Edited lol, thanks.
Exactly. I avoid lemmy.ml specifically because the admins there are the same ones who run the commonly defederated lemmygrad.ml - so the instance isn't particularly friendly.
Vote with your feet and move the community to a better instance, and hopefully some volunteer will message the old one detailing the move.
Probably more fit for !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , not sure this post will stay here
I think it's largely fine for this community but a crosspost to that community would also be a good idea.
CC: @sag@lemm.ee
OK
The mod could argue that this discussion isn't beneficial to the wide audience of this community (and that would be understandable), so better safe than sorry
That's a good point. Though since mods already took action on comments here but not the main post it might be fine.
Give yourself a high five (ok, fine, I guess that's just clapping, whatever) and move to a better instance!
Join lemm.ee and ignore lemmy.ml
Your post made me move to lemm.ee. You can export your communities from lemmy.ml to a new instance off your choosing using the included tool on the web version off them.
Lemmy.ml is doomed. You were unlucky to pick the wrong instance. It's one of the downside of federated Lemmy that .ml is the oldest instance, leading to many cool communities being hosted there. The only way is to start that community on another instance that is not .ml or .world and staying patient.
Hexbear and lemnygrad are not even a choice.
Seriously. When I learned that the "ml" stood for Marxism-Leninism I almost had second thoughts about leaving the R-site.
The
mlTLD belongs to Mali BTW. A semi-failed African state which just kicked out the "imperialist" French soldiers it had previously invited to put down its jihadist insurgents, *in order to replace them with Russian mercenaries* generously sent by Putin. You can't make this stuff up.The community is a very weird mix of Anti-Imperialists, communists and islamists.
They are not openly Russia-friendly, but they are very uncritical towards authoritarian systems. From pro-palestine over pro Hamas to pro Iran, and then you are almost there.
I sometimes wonder if it is just the US-american left going insane these days or if some corners of Lemmy are under the influence of Russian and Chinese troll factories.
There's absolutely troll farms operating in the Hexbear community and overlap is basically guaranteed.
I wonder if that's really true though. From a strategic point of view it makes not much sense to me to focus on such a tiny community as Lemmy is over the usual targets such as TikTok, Meta and Shitter.
When you're employed by the state to shit post as your day job, I imagine you have numerous tools — an entire web platform to efficiently orchestrate and coordinate your activity — and time to post everywhere. Strategically, Lemmy is a low investment and could potentially lead to dominating and moderating a much larger community in future.
Didn't Mali order a recall of all ml domains a while back due to an incident where military emails being sent to .mil were accidentally sent to .ml domains instead.
They recalled free domains. Lemmy.ml is paid
Ah, that's too bad, would've been a great way to get people and communities to move on from that instance.
Just stick .ml with hexbear and grad on your blocklist and move on.
Be happy that you lost nothing and gained less toxicity in your life, at best you make a account on a instance that either doesn't federate the .ml instances or one that is blocked by them (like mine) there is a pretty active gaming community on sh.itjust.works, and you can make your own community if you want to.
What do I do now? Sorry If this was not right community to post this. Bye Tommorow is my exam. I hope I don't fuck it up because of this.
Take a deep breath, make yourself a cup of tea and go through your notes for the exam. Ace the exam!
Then think about which lemmy server you want to start your new stardew valley community on and what your community rules should be.
Thanks, It went all right.
Good to hear!
I wish everyone was sweet and welcoming like you on Lemmy.
Thanks 😄
Good luck with the exam!
I don't know anything about ml specifically, and I refuse to learn because I don't give a shit. Lemmy has pockets of crazy like any place. Do your thing, get banned if you get banned, end up where you end up.
I joined the new stardew valley thing you made.
I have no advice for you but as someone relatively new to lemmy I'm trying to understand all this drama. It seems like hexbear is leftist which I thought was cool (full disclosure tho I've not checked it out at all), but this just seems... really extreme. That joke comment reply probably wasn't the best thing to say but it's crazy to me that you didn't even get any dialouge opened up or anything, just an outright ban? And it seems like the person who reported it had no frame of reference for Stardew. Sorry this happened :< Seems kind of knee-jerk on their behalf. I hope you can open a dialogue, clear things up and get your account back <3
Basically all of Lemmy is vaguely leftist. Ml and HexBear are tankie instances. Db0 or slrpnk are more anarchist.
I think hexbear started from chapotraphouse refugees when it got banned from Reddit. So it’s leftist but with the toxic culture from that.
I'm not myself familiar with that subreddit but that's interesting.
Your obsession over lemmy sounds unhealthy. You made an account to become mod of a sub you don’t know how works???
That community mod was offline. I just want to see that community active. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My take on this as well... like who does that 🤨...
Banned
Weird that you would link to a thread where you tell somebody "I hope you die soon" as if it somehow defends your position. Not only are you trivializing actual rape with this smoothbrained take, but you're being a bully to OP for absolutely no reason. You're not the good guy here.
Banned
Bruh. *You said you wanted to shoot him.* Do you know how triggering that is to people who have suffered actual gun violence? Or does triggering PTSD victims only matter when it's convenient to your own narrative?
You're 100% in the wrong here.
If you call that rape, you need therapy and medication and have no business being in any position of authority. Disgusting. That whole thread is sad and disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself for the damage you do to real sexual assault survivors by trivializing their experience.
You stated multiple times that you wanted to shoot him because he used the excuse that "it's just a game". That's a thin distinction at best.
You also use a separate account for your normal posting than your admin account, which feels needlessly sneaky.
Look, taking down the post was right call, and removing him from the mod position for arguing about it too. But the rest of this?
Telling someone that you want to injure them, then going on a multiple paragraph rant that is more about dunking on someone and venting than actually trying to inform isn't a good look for an admin.
I can't read their full responses that you deleted, but what you quoted from them reads like the kind of scared "stop yelling at me I don't understand what I did wrong please don't hit me" responses I gave to my mother while she was busy giving me reasons for therapy.
Normal users can get away with this sort of aggressive behavior because they don't have a position of power, but you do. You are inherently setting the example of what you want from your users and it's not a good look from the outside.
Now let's see if this criticism gets me banned too... hope not.
I don't care about anything else. But..
I was just telling about his personallity.
I don't know much about that game and I cannot speak for rape victims and their feelings of a comic strip but two repeated calls for your death over there with further excuses here are way over the line of a heated argument, so that person is now permabanned from here.
Thank you for jumping in
Dude you do not need to defend or justify yourself to this person, the best thing to do is just ignore them, or report them as harassment and a troll. Seriously it's best to just not respond to these types of people, responding only makes them feel more justified.
I don't know why you feel entitled to be tagged by him or feel entitled to justification from him but you aren't. You made repeated death threats towards him. Most people would've just blocked you for that, which I admit is not a great solution since it makes you invisible to them, and therefore less likely to be reported for something like this.