FOSSDLE PieFedMeta Risks Mass Exodus: Is #HelloQuitMeta the Next Viral Movement?
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Let’s hope so.
I've noticed a significant change in my Facebook feed recently. It's almost all content creator content now, which I'm taking as a sign that my network is no longer posting there.
Bigger question. Honest question.
Why are YOU still there???
Because Facebook killed enthusiast forums for most of my hobbies and everyone migrated to FB. Thats where the knowledge is.
Some countries insist on using Messenger and nothing else, until that changes I can't leave.
Countries? Or groups of people?
Whole countries, where phone number based services like WhatsApp were not available for the longest time, when they became available it was too late and no one switched over
Can't Messanger be used without Facebook? Mine asked me if in wanted to do that before I nuked it.
My wife tried to delete her fb account again (Shes done it a dozen times). Every other time she was able to keep access to messenger, this time it said no, she would lose access to that too. I think this is their push for people to use whatsapp instead.
Y'all would be surprised how many Facebook users there are outside of the west. In my home country of Vietnam Facebook is like Twitter+Reddit+more. It's the most popular social media app. Everyone is on Facebook. The government posts news on Facebook, academic institutions post news on Facebook. Everyone posts official news on Facebook. Hobbyist discussion happens on Facebook. Buying and selling stuff - also Facebook. Wanna watch short form/long form content? Also Facebook. Facebook Messenger is also the second most popular form of communication. But it is to us what iMessage is to Americans. If you're not on Messenger, fat chance nobody will talk to you. There's Zalo which is technically in first place but Zalo is where the Vietnamese government gets to exert its control and it's mostly to conduct business and talk to boomers. It's that bad. Facebook is also very popular in other Asian countries like India, Indonesia, Thailand and the Phillipines, although I'm not sure to what degree.
It’s pretty good for buying/selling used stuff.
Honestly, the only thing marketplace sucks for is cars.
Ive only ever had luck selling cars on platforms that require you to pay to list. Marketplace just gets you an endless string of time wasters and people who want it for half the asking price.
Oh yeah, the number of people that drop off the face of the earth after a couple message volleys is unreal. Definitely frustrating if you’re trying to get rid of something quickly.
Marketplace is goated and a shame it's attached to FB
Because I have no choice. There are couple groups I'm part of, and they exist solely on fb. Even tried moving some of them to reddit like 5-6yrs ago, but it didnt stick. Reddit back then would've been better than fb... ultimately the decision was out of my hands.
I wish, but I doubt it will be.
Something eventually will be. Meta will not last forever.
This one? Nah, probably not. Meta is undoubtedly going to censor, suppress, hide, and deprioritize posts about this. But someday it will.
Yahoo just gradually died as people started slowly abandoning it.
The same can happen to Facebook, but it won’t die with a bang.
This.
What eventually kills these platforms is "death by thousand cuts". Enshitification, controversies, legal problems will alienate users bit by bit. Competing services will then make some people visit less and less until they stop coming at all.
These platforms are competing for peoples attention/time which is finite resource.
But in addition to what happened to Yahoo, Meta’s platforms also use the network effect to keep users. Once the tide turns and the network effect is stronger elsewhere the userbase may quickly evaporate, like what happened to MySpace.
That's already happening. Posts from my friends are seldom, and progressively less meaningful. Most are just shares of some dumbass sponsored content. Conversation is dead. But this is a big one, Facebook has AI users now that can keep up the appearance of a thriving site indefinitely, duping advertisers out of billions.
Unless you're myspace. Myspace was great, until facebook just suddenly existed, and took over. Felt like it went from never hearing of facebook in 2006, to 2007 myspace is basically dead.
MySpace was sold to News Corp for $580 million dollars. Then they purged everyone's accounts, all their blogs, posts, pictures, everything. Talk about not knowing what they bought. Serious WTF. Users could submit a form and get some but not all of their profile back. One year later MySpace was worth an estimated $35 million. It was the worst tech acquisition until Twitter. This all coincided with Facebook opening up to the public and becoming more popular. So it's not exactly that MySpace just collapsed, Rupert Murdoch killed it.
What makes you believe Friendica won’t surpass Facebook?
I do not think decentralized social media will ever grab the masses. It can be confusing, which server do I join? Why that one vs this one?
Sounds more like we would go back to forums.
I think "forums" is what Lemmy kinda shoulda been. I've had people argue against me at this point, but...
lemmy.nsfw and the other couple of porn instances are the only ones that are focused by topic. Everybody else tries to be a general purpose instance, which results in that "Which instance do I pick? Will it matter being on sh.itjust.works or lemmy.world?" issue and the "there are currently 94 communities with the name Linux, 20 with more than 250 subscribers and 12 that have seen some kind of activity in the last month" issues.
Lemmy could be used like a good old forum engine. Create an instance around a particular branch of discussion, but now they're federated.
I am down. I miss forums (as long as it is not tapatalk.)
Man, people got used to having the whole internet in their pocket from barely knowing it existed in like 15 years. There are already cultural metaphors for federation. People will grok that shit in no time when they need to. But it will take the network effect forcing them to learn it that will get people over the hill.
Good grief, this argument seriously makes me want to pull my hair out...
"Which [email] server do I join? Why that one vs this one?"
Initially no real reason. Eventually you discover ones with administrators you vibe with and communities and users you like. But till then, maybe server capacity?
I get that, you get that, but the masses will not understand that.
At first, the internet was for nerds only and not "for the masses". Then corporations realized there was a lot of money to be made, and they forced user-friendliness on it. And then the masses came.
Don't worry, in two decades we'll have Fediverse 3.0 which will just be a balkanized assortment of sites that don't communicate with each other and are worth trillions, all owned by people who bafflingly support President Kid Rock.
Because I have never even heard of friendica
I haven’t heard of Lemmy until the api changes.
And Reddit is still in no danger of being overtaken by Lemmy.
I'm not answering that question. I'm answering whether this is the movement that dethrones it.
Probably not.
It will die when there is an alternative app that competes with marketplace. That + messenger keep most people there. Signal (or whatsapp which while meta, isn't tied to fb account)'already can replace messenger.
That is simply the truth. Here is Belgium we have an app called 2dehands which is very prolific and have a way better interface and experience than marketplace (even though it is nowhere near perfect or great).
Marketplace is definitely completely secondary to 2dehands in the Flemish part. Brussels still uses marketplace a lot, but literally all marketplace needs in order to slowly die off is competition but the 2nd hand market is not a lucrative app space with no real funding opportunities outside of data sale so nobody does it.
Huh, a friendica post in the wild on the Lemmy.world front page. Cool!
You will see it more ;)
But if its Activity Pub then why doesn't it open in my app? I have to click it and open in an external web browser
Well, it's posted here as a link, so I guess it's not here via federation.
Also I think different fedi apps support different AP content types, so possible that Lemmy can't display it?
If Twitter hasn't had a mass exodus I'm not holding it hope for any other social media. The fact of the matter is the majority of the public just don't care.
I mean it kinda has. It wasn't an insta-kill but users have dropped dramatically and it's still dropping
https://www.demandsage.com/twitter-statistics/
"X" is doing just fine.
Depends on who is leaving, I'd say. The biggest draw to Twitter, from my outside perspective anyway, is news. Headlines, sure, but especially live, on the ground coverage.
If news orgs quit X, that'll be a big blow. Some left already, but I can't remember who it was off the top of my head.
But if breaking news, like protesters posting updates live, start coming majority from somewhere other than X (most likely Bluesky at this point), that will really signal the beginning of the end for Xs relevancy.
Just my $.02, to be taken with a large grain of salt.
Yes, *if* that were to happen it would be a big blow. It hasn't happened despite all the things, so I'm not holding my breath.
Yeah, that's fair.
My guess is X will always be around, but a best case scenario is it dwindles in relevance and it becomes just another social media site, instead of the relative giant it is. The good news is Twitter was always an energetic but comparatively small social media network (relative to Facebook and Instagram). Really all it needs to fade into irrelevancy is the loss of those driver accounts that feed the rest of the site.
Fingers crossed, I guess.
I wonder how many of those are bots or paid trolls
I'm still seeing Twitter posts on Lemmy frequently. It doesn't matter if they're bots or paid, the site is still being used and posts are still being passed around.
Apparently a bunch of blue checks got really pissed about, of all things, Elon faking his Path of Exile 2 cred. I'm annoyed that that's what it took for some people to finally realize he's a piece of shit, but you know what, doing the right thing for a stupid reason is still doing the right thing. Regardless who knows if it'll result in any large number of people leaving. All I know is that it blew up on Reddit, according to this news here which I recommend you watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4NB4HCyb4
why prefix the hash tag with Hello? Isn't #QuitMeta better?
Hello, what's with no hello?
Didn't happen to Twitter. Didn't happen to Reddit. Won't happen to Meta.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/03/06/usage-of-elon-musks-x-dropped-30percent-in-the-last-year-study-suggests/
orly?
Kinda blows my mind that people think that shit is going to happen over night.. That's hundreds of millions of people..
It's already happened to Facebook. And it's happening to Twitter. And Reddit. This stuff takes time, but the character and feel of each service has shifted considerably.
The phrase used was not "shifted considerably", it's "mass exodus".
The mass exodus from the Facebook platform has already happened. The others are in progress.
[citation needed]
Until you provide an easy solution for grandparents to watch their grandkids grow up, meta will have a captive generation and a half.
Group chats? They've replaced almost everything I used to use Facebook for.
Meta owns WhatsApp.
SimpleX and Matrix are great alternatives.
Friendica lets you link your Matrix account.
Can you link your WhatsApp account to these though? I'm not going around trying to persuade everyone to get off WhatsApp. I'd be better off just using RCS.
True, but there are plenty of alternatives waiting in the wings the moment they try and fill it with ads
Most of my immediate family just does sms group chats. I don't keep up with the extended family, seeing them every other holiday is enough
Grandparents watched their kids grow up for thousands of years before social media. I think there are clearly other ways....jesus people.
Snapchat and frequently updated Frameo picture frames seems to the go-to my cousins use to keep my grandmother updated about her great-grandchildren.
Posting public images of your children certainly got an icky feeling over here. At least after there was a push in media to make parents conscious about potential privacy infringement it may be for the child.
Good riddance. Sadly I think it will take another generation before the boomers wake up
FTFY
Seriously, why can't they just die already.
Many are, genx is now the conservative generation.
Good thing most of them will be dead by then.
Theres no app for us artists to post our art and get work other then instagram (or twitter but fuck that).
Have you heard of Pixelfed?
https://pixelfed.org/how-to-join
Yea i used it for a while a year it two ago and figured its not worth my time since it doesnt have a userbase or any thing to attract people to move to it
See my comment here https://slrpnk.net/comment/13170801
Are you also using Pixelfed?
No, just like everybody else who isnt using it 😅 its stillll not on the app store after like 6 years and now the dev is working on Loops. Also theres no decent discovery with only the single chronological feed. Bluesky and an instagram clone using the at protocol will be easier for us to migrate to because feeds help discovery a ton.
There’s an official app for Pixelfed on iOS and Android.
Not on the official App Store tho there’s been an app for years
Edit: i guess they just launched on the App Store so it’s not available to all countries yet?
Are people who offer work for artists using Pixelfed?
No idea, but if there’s no one there to offer work to…
Even if so, they may see that as a plus. Twitter survived the massive cutting / culture change that Elon brought to it (as a gross little shadow of it's formal self, but the vultures don't care).
Facebook in some countries is a necessity because it acts like The Everything website. it's like the WeChat of southeast Asia
I noticed a few people recently signing up for Friendica because of the changes.
Betteridge's Law applies here.
Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word *no*."
Ha! That's pretty good, and probably very accurate.
Are there still any non-boomers left on Facebook?
Yes, loads. It's very useful for non-anonymous groups + events.
Not really, but Instagram and WhatsApp are still massive
I'm not really ON facebook. But way too many of my friends use it as a way to send invites to events. I literally just pop in every other week to check notifications and see if anybody invited me to anything. It's kind of infuriating how no other method makes it so easy to just invite 20 people somewhere.
The fediverse doesn't have a decent calendar/invite solution does it?
Just don't use Social Media? Idk why people keep using this dogshit as if they expect it to change. JUST STOP FUCKING USING IT. You'll be thanking me later for the boost in mental health.
Isn't Lemmy social media, or am I overlooking something?
It is but it's not the same. There's something fundamentally different about social media that links your real identity to your comments. Also here I can easily just not sub to political communities. On other social media it's very hard to get rid of.
I explained it to my friends about why I only used Reddit and now Lemmy:
I think social media attached directly to Ego is toxic and harmful. On more anonymous social media, ideas(content) at least tends to rise or fall on their own merits, *rather than on the prior popularity of the individual saying them.*
I'm here for cool ideas, concepts, and discussions, not popularity contests which most social media platforms are.
I don't think anything exits on its own merit on the whole wide universe, but that is another discussion to be had.
Content here seems to rise and fall if they fit the narrative the community wants to push. I was quite active on r/collapse and it only got The doom stuff about climate change. Positive messages were filtered out. That's just one example, but it seems to be how Lemmy works and Reddit used to work before it was invaded by bots.
I'd argue that is pushing the ego too. It's a way to reaffirm the worldview one holds over and over. And that is, I think, a very ego driven thing, since we all strife to be *right* about things.
I hear what you're saying, and yeah all communities have a narrative, I've been reprimanded on L/climate for the exact opposite, questioning where all the unearned optimism was coming from.
But the format is topics, and you do need to fit the topics, so I get it based on the community. That said, what I cannot stand is someone's opinion being elevated on the basis of them being a celebrity, or an influencer. I prefer not to consume content through the prism of knowing of the person who said it. If Kim Kardashian has something she thinks is clever to say, let her say it without her name behind it to see if it sinks or swims on whether people read the comment and found it clever/relevant/worth propagating with an upvote or not.
Every media that allows you to be social, like interacting with other users, is a social media.
A movie is not, but a news website that allows comments is, any forum is as well.
Don't let others convince you with arbitrary conditions just because they don't like that their favourite media is a social media.
My wife got off last year. I just use it for some communities I’m involved with and like 10 friends that seem to appreciate my posts.
Really not a reasonable take. Social media is great for discovering new things, people, and groups of interest. Sure, you can do that outside of social media too, but in a much slower and more limited way.
Also, lots of housebound disabled people use social media for their main source of socializing.
Again? 2019…2013…and however many other “exodus” articles are written. Facebook is still the biggest. Must be a slow news day.
META is becoming more based each day it seems.
Calling a mega corp"based" is straight clown behaviour....
How old is u, boy?
I'm 24. I didn't say META is based. I said it's becoming MORE based. For example: If META was only 10% based and now it became 20% based - it's still not based, but it became more based. Hope this better explains my perspective.
What does "based" mean to you?
Urban dictionary sums it up really well IMO.
A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.
For example:
META is based for open sourcing their LLM weights.
Even if we assume that Meta's policy of loosening up grey zone speech as step in the right direction, it still doesn't make it "more based"
Meta is a mega corpo whatever they do is always fucking plebs over and this is no exception, make no mistake.
Up until now they censored speech and I guess I were big mad, others said meta is an "ally"
Facebook then flipped the script, so now he is an ally to "you"
This a polarization divide and conquer tactic and falling for it ain't based.
It's kind of obvious that Zucc is doing this to be on the "winning side" (Elon's side). I don't think this has anything to do with "divide and conquer".
Keep licking, they still won't let you into their club.