FOSSDLE PieFedhexbear.net comically loses its domain name
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cross-posted from: https://hilariouschaos.com/post/1077711
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Edit edit: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
Welp
No way, after all that posting hexbear is defeated by capitalism????
Nah. Socialists can charge for services.
It was defeated by an admin being so done with their shit he couldn't be bothered lol.
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Actually. No. Wait a fucking minute.
This admin went spotty on contact like 3 months ago, right?
In November? And then he both didn't want to give up control, but also didn't want to pay a small amount of money. Like maybe he got what he wanted from the community and pulled the plug? Because it was never about the community.
Heartbreaking: The Worst Capitalist Practice You Know Just Accidentally Picked A Funny Target
... if DNS is the worst capitalist practice you know of then you REALLY should spend less time shitposting and more time paying attention to the world.
(It's a joke/reference, I guess it's not 100% known though. My bad.)
I really do hate "I know what I have so you are going to pay whatever number I set" capitalism though, which is what they do here. These registrars figured out a loophole around the redemption grace period and are, from the start, set up to make you lose the domain and then spend significant money on a completely unfair auction where they have the power to plant fake bids, rather than paying the usual static redemption fees that aren't *that* excessive.
Yes... but the meme doesn't work if said practice is barely on the scale.
Because yeah, there are some REALLY sketchy registrars. Working with the "reputable" ones and now taking advantage of a nation's country code for the lulz (see: .ml) keeps you pretty safe.
Heh, you think DNS is bad? Buddy, let me tell you about pig butchering...
So this is a man-in-the-middle attack waiting to happen isn't it? Buy the domain, setup a reverse proxy that points to the original hexbear server IP and start logging all requests.
Probably. In all honestly, if you are a hexbear user, I'd be keeping a careful eye on who owns the domain when it magically pops back up.
quite vocal about how the world should be organized, but forgot to pay the domain dues
DNS is neoliberalism incarnate 😂
I like how a whole community of academics and researchers worked out how to run a system which, even into the modern day which is kind of amazing, is largely disconnected from being abused by government and industry, and just runs according to what the people who need to use the system need it to do. You *can* get extorted for a fancy domain name if you really want to, but you can also go to Hostinger and get one for $5/year or something, because a lot of the core of the system is still pretty well-protected from being a cash-grab, through application of good governance and cooperation.
And then, somehow Hexbear managed to find their way *around* that system and fucked things up for themselves, and now it's all DNS's fault that they stepped in a pile of doo doo.
Yes, John Postel and David Mills were some of the vilest ghouls and so on. There was nothing about them that could provide a good model for how to do effective cooperation and succeed outside the systems of ownership that defined computing and telecommunications at the time, no particular reason they succeeded so dramatically and gave you, ultimately, this space to post pig balls today, and nothing about their work and traditions that needs to be defended against any silicon valley ghouls in the modern day. You fucking dingbat. I started out sticking up for you guys because no one deserves to get victimized by DNS scammers, but I take it back, go fuck yourselves.
Well, Postel has been dead since 1998 and Mills since 2010, so I don't think they're included in people still in control. So they've got that going for them, which is nice, I guess.
Architects of the internet, they said.
If they said the people currently in charge of the internet are an uneasy alliance of shadowy goons and idiots, afraid to openly break anything too irrevocably but occasionally trying to yank on the wires to see if there isn't some way a little more money inside them somewhere, I would generally agree.
The elders of the Internet?
I mean... OK then just remember the IP addresses of the sites you use and don't use the domain names?
You do have a point there NaibofTabr@46.4.254.144
See? If you don't like DNS, you don't have to use DNS, it's not so hard.
And IPv6 won't be that much harder, it's only... uh... 32 hex digits you'll have to remember, for each website. No big deal.
Yes, only 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:ffff:2e04:fe90. Simple!
Did you know we have these things called computer files that can store information. There's even one in your router specifically for storing IP addresses
I'm still salty that IPv6 is not 6 octets. Six. It's right there in the name. IPv4 is 4 octets!
30 years ago we had to remember phone numbers, now ip addresses. We are going in circles.
Your perspective makes you believe we're going in circles. In actuality, we're going down the drain...
At least they stopped dumping the yellow pages on my porch every year...
That will be a problem for sites that are all hosted on one IP address where the server figures out what site you want by the client's request string.
Well then you just take whatever you get, it's website roulette.
Is this not a majority of them
It is.
Of course there are alternatives if you give up using the host header, like routing by URL. But that's difficult when the URL is encrypted, meaning SSL has to be terminated at the proxy.
My home stuff is like this
I mean unlike housing, you don't actually *need* to pay for a domain name. There are plenty of free alternatives if you ill like paying for a TLD, and in lieu of that you could just memorise the IP, or even instruct people to change their hosts file.
If I didn't know this was chapotraphouse I would consider it an excellent shitpost.
What is with the weirdly shaped emojis.
Over on the linked page? They've got custom "emojis", which are just pictures uploaded by an admin. Lemmy has that feature in general, but it's not used much on other instances. If it's enabled on your instance, you can type
:to select from all regular emojis plus custom ones.I know, but why are they so big.
Remember kids, this is why you still need money. This is literally how the Soviet Union collapsed and why China today became a state capitalist.
I wonder if they tried to pay it with a signed note by their mother and a chuck-e-cheeze token with 'payment in full' scribbled across the note in red marker.
In a good internet, you shouldn't have to pay someone else for *your own identity*.
You don't have to pay anything to have your own identity.
If you want someone else's servers to replicate a piece of information for you, and you want them to take responsibility for administrative issues like figuring out whether you still want it next year or what to do if you're doing something illegal, you may have to pay anywhere from $5 a year to $30 a year for the privilege depending on a couple of factors. Given how massively inflated the price of registering a domain *could* be, if the type of ghouls who like to get their hands on things like this were able to get their hands on it, I'm inclined to call that success. About 99% of internet users will never need to know or care about DNS, and they can still have their identity without having to pay $30 a year.
I'm pretty sure the price of domains has actually been going *down* over time, and they've introduced a bunch of new TLDs and new types of entries in the records in response to pretty much the only significant problems that the 40-year-old system has *ever* had during its history. Like I said, I'd call that success.
I would like none of these services. I would simply like my domain name to be mapped to my server's IP. I don't want to have to pay a registrar, I would like to submit my domains to registers directly. There is a business layer of middle-men who do not need to exist.
ICANN is in the business of running the Internet, not fielding tech support calls from Jones' BBQ and Foot Massage. I'm fine with this layer of separation. Hell, if it was one massive company controlling all the domains worldwide, wouldn't that monopoly be an order of magnitude worse?
I don't mean interacting directly with ICANN. I mean directly interacting with registries, like Verisign.
They control the .com top level domain. They do not interact with consumers, and require you to use a third-layer of registrars to interface with them.
ICANN shouldn't get into the direct-to-consumer business, that is true and not the issue I am speaking about.
You're in luck! You can do this! You can become your own registrar. Cut out the middle man! You only have to pay $4000/year to talk directly to ICANN.
I mean, it is kind of getting that way. The proliferation of some domains that are more expensive than others could potentially be a sign of the whole thing slowly collapsing into costing $10/month or maybe orders of magnitude more, if you are a big company with fat pockets that can be rummaged through, like everything else is nowadays. My point is that the price is $12 per year specifically *because* those forces have been kept at bay, at least partially, which means the system is an ever-more-incongruous-with-every-passing-year vestige of the decent way that the internet used to be. And also, yes, there’s an increasing cacophony of services which are trying to charge you more than it should cost, hoping that you’ll think $50/year is reasonable and just pay it not knowing any better.
If you think it is sustainable to be able to submit registrations completely for free, though, you are welcome to provide that service to the world under some subdomain, and do a vital service to remove the evil of which you speak. Just register dns.free or whatever, and set up a thing where people can register mysite.dns.free or whatever subdomain they want, and then they can all have it for free. You can be the change. I suspect that if you undertook this mission, it would quickly become apparent to you why the system as a whole still needs to charge a tiny nominal fee in exchange for doing it.
Running the central DNS servers is so cheap that it makes no sense to try to charge for it. Doing the administrative work of keeping track of hundreds of millions of people who all want to register some appellation for themselves, and keeping track of all the changes thereto, is significant, which is why that side of the operation wants to charge you a few bucks a year for it.
You don't have to! You can run a DNS server out of your house and host any and all domain names you can think of!
Of course, nobody but you will use it, but it's the principle of the thing, right?
Oh please. Principles are like asses: everyone's got one, and everyone thinks it's other peoples's that stink.
Many things are worth nil on principle. It's the execution that matters.
*Tell me* you have no idea how DNS works *without saying* you have no idea how DNS works.
And here I was complaining about cheeseburger.social going down. Our user count was well into the dozens. Dozens!
This is IMO a risk for many individual owned fediverse instance. Someone has a domain, at a point other admin take over, and the domain owner doesn't renew no matter whether they forget because real life happens or due to some Drama.
Very few instances have a clear legal organizational (like a non profit club) running, which is more flexible when founders step out
Yeah this does prove a failing point for the fediverse that is an important part of larger adoption. This still mostly exists in large part by communal effort even if the community doesn't appreciate it or recognize it
I need a reminder of what hexbear is about. I recall something... off.
Beyond just the general tankiness that others have mentioned, I think the worst thing about Hexbear is how they aggressively claim to be pro-LGBTQ+ while zealously supporting Russia and China, nations which actively persecute anyone who is not hetero-normative. Putin actively jokes about killing homosexuals, and the PRC will black-bag you and put you in a reeducation camp.
I've always felt there was something deeply sinister in this hypocrisy, probably having to do with intentionally targeting marginalized people and attempting to influence and/or radicalize them - your basic cult recruitment tactics.
Tankie instance
They're part of the Tankie Triad (.ml, lemmygrad, hexbear). Quite possibly the worst of the triad
I'd vote grad as worst, but it's certainly close.
Could not happen to a nicer bunch.
Truly salt of the earth
What's the story with this place?
When I accidentally interacted with one of their communities, it basically felt like a tankie 4chan. After that I just banned the entire instance.
Lemmy, in general, is left leaning with the lead dev and "main" instance being unabashedly tankies.
Hexbear is the big instance of people who are so fucked they tend to get banned even from there. The ml crowd is generally still worth talking to. Whereas the hexbear crowd immediately jump to harassment the moment they decide you failed a purity test because you advocated for a social program rather than insisting the entire system needs to be burned down and a managed economy run by putin put in its place.
Needless to say: Anyone who spends enough time "on lemmy" is either on an instance that banned hexbear or muted them themselves.
Appreciate the explanation. I've seen some remarks about the instance in passing, I've just never paid close enough attention to how communities have interacted with each other in the past.
No, no. They're a group of posters so awful they got banned from Reddit.
And let's be honest, you can be pretty much the worst person on earth and survive in your own little bubble on Reddit, but, for whatever reason, they couldn't.
I feel attacked lmao, reddit automoda/policy is abusive now, I commented on a front page post with an alt and it permbanned 3 of my 10 year old accounts instantly no appeal. I kinda do like that they forced me to give lemmy a second look.
The mods just ban ppl willy nilly, how am i supposed to keep track of what banned me, if they have detection tools they should be able to auto ban my alts or hide those subs from my view or better yet not even let me comment on them, instead they asssume evasion and perm ban your ip.
Yeah...
Spend some time in the "I hate reddit and am glad I am never going back but do you think reddit still thinks about me and hey, can I take a picture of your penis and send it to show reddit that my new boyfriend is massive?" communities. LOTS of the folk around here have those "I was banned for absolutely nothing" mentalities.
And it shows with how fast people are to "clown on" folk with just blatant insults.
Those folk aren't at all exclusive to hexbear.
I leave em, it's fun to watch them go and post their stickers, it's almost like twitch chat
cunts, tale as old as time
they were originally refugees from the reddit ban of r/chapotraphouse (which, while cringy, was not nearly as bad as r/the_donald that got banned in the same wave. but the reddit admins had a thing for being "fair and balanced")
I'm not familiar with the first subreddit, what was that about?
Hex, .ml and grad are part of the Tankie Triad. Tankies are authoritarians and often hard to tell apart from far right nutjobs
It was by the largest (by a fair margin) socialist-aligned subreddit, but in practice it was like 60% shitposts. Was originally associated with the eponymous podcast, but the hosts have repeatedly said they disliked it.
The common clay of the fediverse.
Tired: Lenin’s on sale again
Wired: Hexbear is a shitcoin
This is amusing, but one guy from the crosspost raised a valid problem:
If the hexbear domain fully dies, then all the idiots kept in containment by defederation will start jumping ship to other instances, and start causing trouble for users and moderators.
Many of them already do that with alt accounts, which would explain the considerable number of downvotes here.
They followed me around and down voted everything I posted for a while (memes, conversational comments, everything). Oh and they also threatened to kill me. Fuck hexbear and all its users.
I had a Hexbear account, but I once posted something that got 10+ upvotes, then someone came along, took it out of context and made an unfounded accusation.
I pushed back as gently as I could, got dogpiled, then the mods removed my comments. So I deleted the rest of my comments and posts along with my account.
They like to complain about how their bad reputation is undeserved, and then refuse to look in the mirror because they're always right.
I have a more optimistic outlook. If they get spread out there's a higher chance of them getting out of their echo chamber and becoming a normal person. And let's be real, the worst of them will go into Lemmygrad to continue their circlejerk and thus won't bother the wider fediverse. And the worst of them probably already have alts on other instances where they stir up shit.
Thanks for that. In this day and age, hearing something positive is a bliss, even it’s just deradicalizing hexers.
So the tankie idiots join the bigger pool of non-tankie idiots. How will we ever survive…
Right. I don't mind people wearing certain red hats. It lets me know right up front what to expect. Reddit had the same dilemma once upon a time where specific subs were banned, and that just forced the roaches to hide in unknown areas where once you knew exactly where to find them all.
In my experience these "containment" boards/servers/sections tend not to work.
Long term it basically just creates a place that attracts those you don't want, and becomes place for those ideologies to spread. Then it either gets bad enough they take over (you know the site) or they break off wholesale and form a new community dedicated to those worst impulses (pyrrhic victory at best).
The best policy is to actively moderate, and in the case of the fediverse, defederate, those groups and those that give them shelter.
Meh, they're just going to flood over into grad and .ml where they'll be welcomed with open arms.
Then all those ".ml's not *that* bad, they're kinda nice" folks will see that .ml mask drop and then finally .world will defed from the last of the Tankie Dyad
I'll take it. It's easy enough to tag people when I see them unironically spewing russian propaganda or bringing up American atrocities to justify Chinese ones.
I bid seventy cents, two peanut shells, and a cancelled postage stamp.
Wait, postage stamps can be cancelled?
That stamp knows what it did.
The postage stamp asked strangers to lick its behind!
Blaming capitalism for domain names being a nightmare is hilarious, they are insanely cheap its 12$ a year for a .com, that is all, lol.
This is just straight up bad planning, they said they have jobs and lives like bro you turn on autorenew you put money in the card, any local business has no issues holding their domain for a decade lol, how do you just not make having it with the person hosting the site a priority.
The admins made a rookie mistake: they believed someone on the Internet.
"I'll do it tomorrow" means fucking never. Nah, bitch, do it TODAY.
Not rlly there is a biding ongoing on hexbear.net namedomaine, the highest offer right now is 700 $
They literally didnt pay their under 20$ a year fee for renewal, its their own fault for not having the domain be with the same person managing hosting, it's like amateur stuff to at least have them be an authorized user.
They were in contact with the dude who owns it a few times, wouldve taken minutes to add them as authorized users
2347$ now
ugh its back
Is there a way to know who bought it? Did they get it back or is it some rando or is it a known third party?
It is actively being auctioned, see the post body.
Ah... I did not understand the auction link. I thought "expired" meant that the auction ended. I guess it describes the status of the domain.
Thanks
Edit: who tf downvoted me admitting my mistake and thanking for the clarification lol
You don't actually "buy" domain names. You basically rent them from a registrar. "expired" meant someone forgot to pay rent / renew the lease so control of the name goes back to the registrar. They can just delete it after some grace period but domain names that has traffic going to them has value so they are usually put up for auction by the registrar nowadays, which is what you see here.
Without saying who downvoted you (I can see who did because I'm an instance admin), I'm pretty sure that person is gunning for "person who downvotes the most on the fediverse". They have a lot of hate in their soul.
Don't get me wrong - I certainly earn most of the downvotes I get. That was just a weird one that caught me off-guard. It is as you say.
lol.
Insert oh-no-well-anyway meme here.
What's a hex bear?
Communists (internet troll-ish)
As opposed to Communists (just-- communists) from lemmy.ml and Communists (*Spicy* Communists) from lemmygrad.ml
None of them are communists, they're Tankies, tankies = authoritarians
I think saying Tankies aren't Communists is a bit like saying Sword Art Online isn't an anime.
Just because they suck doesn't remove them from the category. In fact acknowledging the sucky parts of a [HTML_REMOVED] is part of being grown up about that thing.
Communism is stateless and classless. How are STATES with authoritarian unanswerable leaders/classes in any way communist?
TBF there are different types of communism. Marxist, Leninist, State, Libertarian, etc… I don’t know enough about how they all decided to become all these sub-genres, but my basic take is that there’s *communism*, the kind where workers have the power and the distribution of goods and wealth is shared among society; and then there’s the communism that we all know, the authoritarian regime that controls the classes and distribution of goods and wealth.
Personally I think the latter shouldn’t be called communism at all, it’s a completely different animal than the original idea, but IMO conservative politics have so thoroughly conflated tyrannical state control with communism, along with Stalin’s\Lenin’s authoritarian brutality claiming to be communism, that the two will never be separated.
On the unlikely chance that the question isn’t rhetodical, I’d suggest Michael Parenti’s *Blackshirts and Reds*.
This is propaganda comparable to the GOP wanting "smaller government" rather than authoritarian Fascism.
Whats wrong with SAO
Its generic slop by anime standards. Like yeah anime is meant for teenagers and young adults so you can't be too critical over fanservice or flat YA novel Gary sue tier character writing or forgetting to write an actually compelling reason for the villain doing the bad thing at the start by the time the story wraps up. But you can at least try you know?
Anime in general is not meant to be high art but SAO goes the extra mile to be uninteresting bland slop that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Young nerdy teenage boys dont care because all they want is the hot anime girl harem and flashy epic gamer op superpower eye candy sakuga battles but the older you get the more apparent the poor writing gets.
The isekai genre has done a lot better over the decade since SAO initially released things like rezero or even Overlord blow it out of the water in terms of actually interesting plot and suspense. The only reason SAO is still popular is the high quality porn.
Trash.
Well they're more like Authoritarian "Communists", the theory of communism doesn't require human rights violations and restrictions of freedoms.
But the only examples of communism in practice, and the only ones they praise and defend fervently, are places with authoritarian regimes like China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Communism is a political ideology predicated on murdering a group of political enemies in the name of a pseudoscientific economic theory which is given the same reverence that Catholics do to church dogma. Communism is, and always has been, a cult.
Hexbear, along with .ml and grad, are Tankie instances. Known as the Tankie Triad (well soon to be Tankie Dyad anyways lol)
An unhealthy Lemmy obsession.
Just block it and get on with your life.
A far-left Lemmy instance, one of the so-called "Tankie Triad" (along with lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml). Compared to other instances of the Triad, focuses more on inclusivity and minority rights.
As with all instances of the Triad, Hexbear is commonly hated on other instances due to conflicts stemming from the difference of political perspectives with the majority of people on other instances.
They're not "far-left" they're authoritarian "communists" and by "difference of political perspectives" you mean denial of human rights abuses and suppression of freedom by authoritarian regimes (even denying they *are* authoritarian regimes) like China or even that Russia was totally justified attacking a country unprovoked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
A bear made of hexagons
Pedobear with extra steps
That doesn't really clear anything up, tbh, I don't know what this is or why I care about their domain expiring this post did nothing to explain that
That's not what you asked
But you lied about their damage anyways so who cares what he asked if you're not going to actually answer?
What?
So.... who's outbidding them? Someone from tankiejerk? Or are their being taken over by lemmygrad, to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?
What‽ LMAO grad, .ml are Tankie instances just the same and Dess is a huge Tankie lolol
Lemmygrad and tankies in general have military discipline while hexbear is a vibes-based mob. Authoritarians vs. virtue signallers, one taking over the other would mean popcorn for years.
Yeah I can see that, that would also explain how .ml can maintain... subtlety...to avoid a larger call for defederation from them.
However, saying "to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?" Is rather disingenuous, Tankies with restraint and discipline are still Tankies
Socialism with Dessaline characteristics is, to the best of my knowledge, the ideology of lemmygrad. You know, abolish slavery and then run plantations with forced labour is a very tankie thing to do. I'm sure both Dessalines, the emperor and the lemmy dev one, can explain to you how those two are completely different things.
Wow, what a character to base your username off of and presumably looks up to?....
In any case, Tankies hate socialism, they see it as nothing but trying to "make capitalism work with regulation" and they strive for abolishment of capitalism entirely.
Which, I'm not against, but they want to abolish and then replace it with an authoritarianism-based regime instead that looks something like what China has, which is just replacing a bad thing with something as equally as bad or worse.
lol
Oh it couldn't have happened to a better bunch! 😈
Perfect domain for a shitcoin.
It's (un)amusing how the Fediverse of all things still depends on a system of identity that relies on forcing trust on a third party that can take that identity from you at any point and without recourse (within that system). Or, you know, you can "forget to drink your internet identity verification can for the commercial god", which is just as (un)funny.
Digital trust is a really complicated thing. DNS sure beats most of the alternative I can think of.
They don’t care, mission was accomplished in November of last year.
They were established 4+ years ago just to cause the dnc to lose an election in 2024?
Yes, are you unaware of how Russian propaganda works?
I do but that's quite the stretch when they're usually going for right wing propagandists
Old Soviet/Russian doctrine is to always play both (or all) sides of a conflict
There are definitely far left groups, primarily in Europe, that ally with Russia. All groups on the fringes have proven useful for spreading pro-Russian propaganda. In the US, Trump's pro-Russian sympathies and general stupifaction of the GOP has led to the GOP becoming an ally to the Kremlin. But prior to that, both parties were anti-Russia with Republicans being moreso.
What I see from hexbear trolls is an attempt to usurp leftism and turn it into something very weird. They came hard for Biden and Kamala, but don’t really say anything negative about Trump. They talk about “libs” as though the word hasn’t changed which group it refers to over the course of the last century.
It is quite clear to me that they do this to advance Russian interests and global fascism. They will, of course, deny it, but they are simply manipulators.
They constantly shit on trump.
Now I wonder what you think leftism is
The DNC did not lose. We are the losers. You and me will feel the impact way more than well to do politicians.
And they're certainly showing that by their reaction to the election and people asking them to do anything
Isn't hilarious chaos a Nazi instance?
No, it isn't.
The fuck is going on with this domain?
https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7054451/trc.com
It has only three letters and its on the *.com* top-level domain. That's it.