Alright guys, who shut down their farmbot yesterday? Loss of 70k users (5%), graph might be misleading

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Alright guys, who shut down their farmbot yesterday? Loss of 70k users (5%), graph might be misleading

https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats

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rxin , edited

would this not happen if a whole instance got shut down?

mesamune

Either that or blocked the crawler on their Instance.

Draconic NEO , edited

I have a feeling it was caused by something like that, likely a failure of some kind. The drop is way too steep and abruptly for it to be natural.

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

An active instance would have an impact on active users

Danterious

Not immediately though right? since the active users are a month or half-year. Or does it automatically update that too?

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Blaze (he/him) [OP]

Active users are daily too (you have day, week and month counters in the sidebar of all communities)

Danterious

I was talking about on the fediverse observer. It wouldn't show up immediately there.

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Blaze (he/him) [OP]

The Fediobserver has daily and monthly stats for active users. I assume daily indeed follow daily variations. You also saw those huge bumps when LW updated and started counting votes as activity

mesamune

The source code is open source so I believe someone can tell us if need be.

Dave

That graph is so misleading. Makes it look like almost all the users disappeared but the Y axis only covers a small range at the top.

Steve , edited

The full range is about 5.5%. So while it is misleading, a 5% drop in a graph that consistent isn't nothing. Something substantial absolutly changed

Ademir

Maybe whole Instance that went offline.

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

That's my guess to

beefbot , edited

Cool then it should be 5.5% of the visual space for it to not be misleading. But it’s represented much larger. And OP is (edit to sound less mean) not updating the post sooo…

I call shade

DarkThoughts

It's like 70k users.

Dave

Exactly. Not the over a million that it looks like at a glance.

The user count isn't helpful anyway, active users is a much better measure.

Ademir

true that

lambalicious

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

I captured the graph with the number after the decrease at the bottom right to try to show the number of lost users, but I see where you come from

beefbot

If you saw why people would criticise it then you’d… edit the post, recapture the graph with an accurate visual representation including the zero on the Y axis?

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

Well...

  • that's how the website displayed the graph when I took that screenshot, I'm pretty sure you can't modify the axis
  • I'm not on my computer at the moment, editing is the most I can do right now
  • if you can capture the graph with 0 on the Y axis, please post it below and I'll update the picture
SlothMama

It's the only way to demonstrate the fall, of you did it at scale it would've even be noticeable.

MotoAsh , edited

5% is noticeable unless the graph is under 20 pixels tall. Even then, dithering or antialiasing techniques could make it visible.

RogueBanana

There are people here who didn't even notice the axis and are confused. How do you expect everyone to notice a 5% drop lol.

GBU_28

Or just inform the other adults to consult the axis for clarification.

Jumuta

no it's not?

you can see the axes and op even mentions that it's a 5% drop

the graph is clearly just fitted to the data

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

I edited the title after their comment, it wasn't that clear at the beginning

ThomasLadder_69

the graph is clearly just fitted to the data

That's the problem. It's heavily skewed when compared to the greater overall engagement statistics.

lennivelkant

In my classes on analytics, we were taught to prefer using normalised axes starting at 0 to more accurately put changes into perspective.

poke

Which one of you forgot to open the app so we all ceased to exist to save on simulation resources?

11111one11111

Go on... lol

ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝

Interestingly there seems to have been an uptick in comments.

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

Indeed, the plot thickens.

Maybe the farm bot owner decided to make all comments by a single bot now.

ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝

Curiouser and curiouser.

Probably some mundane explanation but still...

Evotech

At least user a log scale. But start at 0

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

Feel free to suggest this to the Fediverse Observer team

Evotech

Ah, I didn't know.

The monthly graph is pretty interesting in the same way, -400k?

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

Lots of farmbots going down looking at the servers graph

Evotech

Interestingly the amount of active users status pretty solid at 200k indeed

sunzu2

Did an instance go down?

Draconic NEO

Maybe it's a problem with the crawler.

Danterious

Probably but which instance has over 70,000 users?

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sunzu2

not sure when entire fedi-reddit is like 50k AMU lol

Ademir

LOL

itsgroundhogdayagain

Was the metric measured before the day the was over which would limit the timeframe of the final day and show fewer users?
I dont see this chart when I click the link

Blaze (he/him) [OP]

It should be there, it's the second graph