Lemmy's gaining popularity, so I thought new people should see this.

submitted by Samuel Block

cross-posted from: https://feddit.nl/post/16246531

I feel like we need to talk about Lemmy's massive tankie censorship problem. A lot of popular lemmy communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. It's been well known for a while that the admins/mods of that instance have, let's say, rather extremist and onesided political views. In short, they're what's colloquially referred to as tankies. This wouldn't be much of an issue if they didn't regularly abuse their admin/mod status to censor and silence people who dissent with their political beliefs and for example, post things critical of China, Russia, the USSR, socialism, ...

As an example, there was a thread today about the anniversary of the Tiananmen Massacre. When I was reading it, there were mostly posts critical of China in the thread and some whataboutist/denialist replies critical of the USA and the west. In terms of votes, the posts critical of China were definitely getting the most support.

I posted a comment in this thread linking to "https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs" (WARNING: graphical content), which describes aspects of the atrocities that aren't widely known even in the West, and supporting evidence. My comment was promptly removed for violating the "Be nice and civil" rule. When I looked back at the thread, I noticed that all posts critical of China had been removed while the whataboutist and denialist comments were left in place.

This is what the modlog of the instance looks like:

Definitely a trend there wouldn't you say?

When I called them out on their one sided censorship, with a screenshot of the modlog above, I promptly received a community ban on all communities on lemmy.ml that I had ever participated in.

Proof:

So many of you will now probably think something like: "So what, it's the fediverse, you can use another instance."

The problem with this reasoning is that many of the popular communities are actually on lemmy.ml, and they're not so easy to replace. I mean, in terms of content and engagement lemmy is already a pretty small place as it is. So it's rather pointless sitting for example in /c/linux@some.random.other.instance.world where there's nobody to discuss anything with.

I'm not sure if there's a solution here, but I'd like to urge people to avoid lemmy.ml hosted communities in favor of communities on more reasonable instances.

Back to main discussion

kuato

What exactly is the “that” that they claim all the time?

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ArcaneSlime

Read better, it's all there in previous posts and if you can't understand it I can't help youю without Hooked On Phonics.

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kuato , edited

Uh-huh. I think this defense-by-belittlement speaks for itself.

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ArcaneSlime , edited

Uh huh, I literally already typed it out, you want me to copy and paste it for you? *Fine* jfc.

These morons *actually* believe not only that "those states would have dissolved themselves given the opportunity if it wasn't for 'western interference,'" they also have such hubris to believe that if they tried the same thing they'd actually achieve what none of them did in the past. They can't grasp that *their* autocrats would never cede power *either* to usher in Communist Utopia™.

The idea that Marxists are advocating Socialist states to dissolve into Anarchism is wrong, nobody claims that.

*There.* It was like three comments up, why did I have to hold your hand? Do you read the context before you ask what "that" means or do you not even bother?

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kuato

I think @Cowbee@lemmy.ml already covered these, or at least some.

  1. By *state*, communists mean a system that enforces the will of one class over the others. A *stateless* society is a synonym for a *classless* society. It doesn’t mean there’s no government.
  2. No socialist state has achieved communism in the past because it is necessarily a long-term project. You can’t simply go to bed one night in a capitalist state and wake up the next in a classless society. Certainly none will achieve it while imperialist states are still working to deny it. They are in a stage of siege socialism.
  3. “Autocrats.” That’s not how *democratic centralism* works; that’s how Western capitalist propaganda *tells* us it works. From a declassified 1955 CIA report: > Even in Stalin’s time there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist power structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captain of a team and it seems obvious that Khrushchev will be the new captain.
  4. No communist worth their salt ever talks about any sort of utopia. Marxists are materialists, not idealists. This is basic stuff.
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ArcaneSlime

Yes yes, again tell tour друзья, not me дебил.

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kuato

“Everyone I disagree with is a bot.”

Michael Parenti

The pure socialists’ ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.

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ArcaneSlime

Lol дебил doesn't mean bot.

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